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Calibre ui made me stay away, I don't mind different but sometimes you do need to get a bit more mainstream. Blender 2.80 did this move and it helped a lot I believe.


Perhaps I have a different use case. I spend very little time in Calibre but loads more time on my Kobo reader. The time I spend is so little that I have never really noticed the user interface. I use Calibre to transfer books to and from my reader and occasionally download meta data for books. I know Calibre has functionality to download blogs and so on but I use Kobo's integration with Pocket[0] to read online articles.

[0]https://getpocket.com/


I read most things on my Kindle, but from the moment I unboxed the Kindle I put it in airplane mode and have kept it that way. More privacy and better battery life. So, Calibre is useful as a way to get content and move it over to my e-reader over USB, and so I don't ever risk connecting to the e-reader maker's proprietary ecosystem. I would worry that even that Kobo Pocket integration is sending data to Kobo's servers.


Haha, same use case here. One funny thing is how the Kindle's clock drifts away from the correct time over time :)


The impact of enabling WiFi on battery life hadn't occurred to me. Do you have a rough sense of how big the hit is?


Anecdotally, when we bought my girlfriend her first Kindle about five years ago, we noticed it was requiring charging way more often than the back-of-the-box battery life quote of "weeks of battery life". Upon calling an Amazon agent, they referred us to the fine print for that quotation:

> A single charge lasts up to six (6) weeks, based on a half hour of reading per day with wireless off and the light setting at 13. [0]

We were still pretty pissed at the blatant false advertising (a hardcore book reader reads for only a half hour a day!?!), but moving forward, she keeps the device in airplane mode 95% of the time, only turning it off to download whatever new book she just bought. It increased to at least 2-3 weeks after that, instead of a single week.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Paperwhite-Waterproof-Storage-...


The nice thing about the kindle is that with both wifi and light off, the battery use is nearly non-existent between pages. So the difference between 30 mins / day and 6 hours / day of reading is not that large, tbh.


Massive. Wifi only goes on when it's needed for something.


It's huge. I'd say around 10x (I have a 3rd gen Kindle)


And even worse with the 3G model if you are in a marginal coverage area. Didn’t discover a way to selectively disable 3G and keep WiFi on.

Comparing new WiFi model to new 3G model, out of airplane mode, the 3G drains about 2x to 3x faster than WiFi model.


My old Sony reader gets a few 1000 pages of read time/ 8 weeks (& more) or so of occasional use. On WiFi it drops to a week or so. Making an antenna work uses heaps of energy. It's worse when roaming as it searches for a known network.


A full charge on my older e-ink Kindle (whatever the last one that had buttons, rather than a touchscreen), can last for months with the wifi turned off. If the wifi is on, it usually runs flat in about a week.


Biggest battery drains on my laptop are usually the screen, GPU, and the wifi card. Usually very distant from no. 4


kindle displays don't use power like laptop screens. It uses very little power to sustain an image, and only uses more power to change the pixels.

You can keep the display of the kindle on for hours at a time with minimal drain


One of the key features of e-ink is that it actually requires zero energy to sustain an image. It only consumes energy for state changes between images.

Of course, modern e-readers have a backlight. Though you can never fully turn it off, at least on my first-gen Paperwhite, which is unfortunate.


Definitely going to be ereader-specific, my Kobo has a physical on/off button for its light.


Yes, that's why a wifi card being comparable to a laptop screen demonstrates how power hungry they can be.


Yeah, the UI is appalling, but it works really well for normalizing the book metadata, and loading the books onto my e-reader. That's more than enough functionality for me.


Can you tell me more about how it is appalling? I'm trying to learn about UI, and vague descriptions are less helpful than specific ones.


It's non-native anywhere, and so your intuition fails you. Icons change behaviour, the fit and finish is terrible (many text labels do not line up, for instance).

As I said, functionally, it is marvellous. But using it interactively is painful.


Kobo's integration with Pocket is a killer feature for me. It's so seamless: reading an article on my phone, and at any time hit a button, grab my kobo, and continue reading from there.


I have only used Calibre a few times, but doesn't the Kobo show up as a storage device, allowing you to drag/drop the books there? What advantage does Calibre offer purely for transferring?


YMMV. I probably have more books and documents than I will ever read. I use Calibre to manage this collection. It is easier to flip through my collection of books on a computer when deciding what to read next than on my ereader. Being able to download meta data helps me decide what to read next. I use the Calibre storage as my backup for my ebooks. My first ereader was a Kindle which I stupidly trashed while trying to swat a fly (true story). I then bought a Kobo. Calibre converted my books as I loaded them onto Kobo.


Using a simple plugin, you can save and convert your proprietary books to epub and similar. I do this with my kindle purchases.


There's a kobo driver for calibre that modifies epubs as they're transferred, for better support. I don't remember all it does, though.


do you integrate with pocket? i tried but miserably failed. it results in a mess of files and data that i can't read. do you have a source link or good link on how to setup?


Instapaper might work better for you for Kindle integration.

The Kobo integrates Pocket natively, so it works seamlessly. It's one of the reasons I bought a Kobo. Native Overdrive integration was a huge plus, too.


On your Kobo go to Hamburger Menu > Settings > Accounts, then do what it asks to sign in to Pocket.

Once that's done you get a "My Articles" option in the hamburger menu, and that's your Pocket content.


damn, i'm using the kindle. i wish it has this easiness of integration.


I bookmark articles during the week using Wallabag (an open source Pocket alternative), which gives me an RSS feed that I use within Calibre's "Fetch news" feature to send the articles to my Kindle on a Saturday morning.

I then go to a cafe next door and read them. They don't look like an ebook on a Kindle, more like a Kindle magazine. I adore that feature.


Thought you were on Kobo for some reason. Might be worth grabbing a cheap one as a Pocket + Overdrive device, it's a pretty great combo ;)


Check out Calibre-Web[1], It runs on top of a calibre database and some other calibre tooling, you can upload and download books from it, edit meta-data, read through the browser. Any books I grab I upload to it (can do via phone easily enough) and then I point my Kobo to it to grab books. I run it on a headless server, and never interact with Calibre UI.

[1] https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web


Calibre has a built-in web server, and it seems it improved a lot in this release:

> The server has gained all the major capabilities of the main calibre interface. You can now edit metadata, convert books, and add/remove books and formats just as is possible with calibre itself.


Calibre-Web has shelves (that can be public or private), and a built-in OPDS server (that you can use from within phone apps such as Moon+ or a rooted Kindle).

It not only replaced Calibre's server for me, but also those few functionalities for which I've previously used Goodreads: organizing books into shelves, marking them as read, keeping track of how many books I read in a year.


Can you explain to me what's so bad about the UI? I've used it for years and I never really gave the UI a second thought.


It is by far the ugliest program I run on my Mac. That said, I run it frequently, and don't know what I would do without it, despite its complete lack of design.


Why do you assert it has a 'complete lack of design.' It's composed of standard qt widgets.


That doesn't mean it's well-designed, it just means it's not using custom widgets. Those of us who aren't particularly thrilled with Calibre's UX are mostly annoyed by how it doesn't bother with typical UI conventions when it comes to menus, displays, command keys, etc.

If I were designing a "competitor," for a start:

- have a "File" menu that collects the commands relating to, you know, files: open, delete, rename, add, edit metadata (akin to the "Get Info" command in most other file menus), etc. Converting between file types could be in a submenu here.

- have an "Edit" menu that does Edit Menu Things (tm), most notably copy, cut, and paste . - let me drag and drop files to add them to the library.

- when I connect a Kindle or other device, show me a second pane with its content side-by-side with my library, rather than making me switch between "here is your library with flags to indicate what's on your device" and "here is your device with flags to indicate what's in your library."

- since I have two panes like the gods intended, let me copy files from my library to my device with drag and drop.

Calibre has all of that functionality, but it ignores three decades of UX convention to no particular benefit.


It’s not very well laid out and the iconography is not the best.


I personally have never had an issue with it. There are many buttons but they are all very discoverable with a bit of hovering. I vastly prefer it to "modern minimalist" interfaces where I have to drill through 90 layers of Hamburger menus to disable a goddamn notification.


I could write a long list of small quality of life tweaks to its UI.

But, at the same time, I wonder how many HNers have even built a UI for a product with so many features. It's incredibly hard to find a good place for everything. And experimentation is expensive and time consuming.


They're speaking from their experience of making a toy 'show hn' project they worked on for a weekend, abandoned and haven't updated in 4 years.


I find it bad taste and too fancy. A sense of bloat. So I didn't want to use its numerous features.


It's not like he bundled it with a complete copy of chrome. Now that would be bloat.


Nah bundling chrome would modern UI worthy of a billion dollar company. Supporters will innocently ask who in the world does not have a machine with at least 32GB RAM and octa-core processor to run this wonderful application.


It's a free product that does what you need it to do, and more. Man, some people...


I don't really mind the UI itself, but the experience from how everything's jumbled around (especially the toolbar from hell) certainly does detract from it's mid-90s charm.


how is it unusual?

from screenshots it looks like itunes+pdf reader to me


It's totally fine. It has a bit of mid-90s Java program vibe to it -- large chunky icons and buttons -- but functionally it's the same as any of these programs. I seriously don't need it to be upgraded to a Material UI or any hot new thing.


I think many people don't realize that its appearance is very customizable - you can turn off all the icons, buttons, extra views etc., after which it has a very plain and simple appearance.

I get that tiny icons are in these days, but my icons are less than 40x40 pixels. Is that considered large? They look the same size as the icons in Firefox.


Oh no, no fancy stuff. I may just be too used to mupdf/sumatrapdf and very basic gui idioms you know.

I think it helps avoid distraction and resource usage.


I'm not sure what these people are complaining about.

You have a search box with a big list box underneath and a preview frame on the side. I guess it's 'dated' in the sense it doesn't use a browser engine, layout everything with CSS, and have icons that match 201XQY's design fad.


I have 32 GB of RAM in my desktop, but I'm getting maxed out on the number of Electron apps I can have running at one time.

At this point, I've got a pretty good sample of apps that were native and have now become Electron, and the Electron versions use 8-10x more memory across the board.

This is not ok. At this point, Outlook is the least resource-hungry productivity application that I need to use on a daily basis. Outlook!


Can you list these apps?

I am curious.


Slack/Discord, Atom/VSCode editor, Spotify, Mailspring, Skype, Boostnote... I could go on and on.

These days, electron seems like a popular base for any desktop app! See a whole list here: https://electronjs.org/apps




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