> I don't see how you can possibly take this "We haven't even talked about it and I can't say when we will" as a declaration that Swift will be open-sourced.
I never, ever said Swift was going to be open-sourced. My only point is that, despite whatever circumstantial evidence you've cited, Apple has not decided that they don't want Swift to be open sourced.
> Also, he said they have stuff to do before the release this fall. That happened, and still not a word about it.
The fall "release" was incomplete - it didn't ship with Swift support for OS X. Presumably they've been spending the time between the fall release of Xcode 6.0 and 6.1 (which came out yesterday) working on finishing the language. Even before 6.0 was officially released they were already releasing developer previews of 6.1.
Like so many people in this thread, you have taken what I said, which is quite simple, and twisted it into something bizarre. I'm simply saying that Apple has not expressed any intention to open-source Swift. Because of this, I think taking it for granted is overly optimistic.
I think we might be in violent agreement, and if I misread your intent I apologize. Nevertheless, whatever Apple's current stance on the matter is, I think we can both agree that they really, really should open-source Swift.
I never, ever said Swift was going to be open-sourced. My only point is that, despite whatever circumstantial evidence you've cited, Apple has not decided that they don't want Swift to be open sourced.
> Also, he said they have stuff to do before the release this fall. That happened, and still not a word about it.
The fall "release" was incomplete - it didn't ship with Swift support for OS X. Presumably they've been spending the time between the fall release of Xcode 6.0 and 6.1 (which came out yesterday) working on finishing the language. Even before 6.0 was officially released they were already releasing developer previews of 6.1.