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What are the positive effects, if any, of the tipping system then?

Even a small negative externality is reason enough to ditch a system that offers no benefit.



There's a benefit in incentivizing good service (assuming it leads to better service, which my anecdotal experience at tipping vs service charge restaurants makes me think it does). We tend to marginalize things like this when big societal issues like racism come up, but it's definitely part of the equation.


I think this video makes several compelling arguments against tipping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOk2C4n4eMQ

The most important bit of research he relates has nothing to do with the servers, but with the customers - an individual customer will tip about the same regardless of service. This means that the incentive for waitstaff is not to serve everyone better in hopes of better tips, but to compete for the perceived highest value customers (white business men) and provide them with the best service. I don't have links to studies but this confirms what I've heard from friends in the restaurant industry - the strategy is to serve those with the highest expected tip better.

At this point the disconnect should be obvious. A customer who tips well but doesn't fall into the "expected good tipper" category will not get good service so how is the system "incentivizing good service" in a general sense?


Meh, I anecdotally disagree - I don't think tipping seems to correlate with service at all. Where does that get us? A well-researched article on the negative side and a couple of zero-researched anecdotes canceling each other out on the positive side. Too bad the article didn't include research on the benefits as well as drawbacks.


>There's a benefit in incentivizing good service

Except it only incentivizes good services for white men without accents who drink and dress well. That doesn't seem like such a great benefit.


Don't be hyperbolic, it also incentivizes good service to anyone that the server recognizes... I typically receive mediocre to poor service when I am dining alone until the staff learn that I tip well.


So it incentivizes good service for regulars who tip well and "expected big tippers", but not for tourists or individuals who are having their first dining experience (which is probably the most important one to the employer, BTW).

Seems like the equivalent of a software system that only works on weekday afternoons, except in March where it works every other Sunday too (maybe).


> (which is probably the most important one to the employer, BTW)

Possibly, but I don't think that is generally true. I eat at a (pretty damn touristy) place two or three times a month and the owner behind the counter is always overjoyed to see me and throws in extra stuff for free all the time. Now, in that particular case it isn't tip motivate, but he absolutely appreciates the regular reliable business. I think that regular reliable business is most important to many small restaurants, which is why you see so many of them offering punch/stamp cards to regulars. If you frequent small locations, it becomes clear pretty quickly that the business owners really do love regulars.

If preferring repeat customers was actually bad for business, the business owner would be well within their rights to forbid tipping at their business and instead pay their staff the proper minimum wage. I suspect this isn't ever actually the case; either repeat business makes up a significant chunk of your business and is more valuable for its reliability, or your business is so touristy that the occasional regular getting better service has no significant impact. Maybe there is some sort of middle-ground between those two, but I suspect it is elusive.


To clarify, the first visit is important for attracting the repeat customers. There's nothing wrong with treating repeat business better, but this naturally accrues as servers learn your name, favourite foods, etc. Tipping potentially complicates this process. For example, what if you tip exactly average? Now do you get better services as a repeat customer?

Finally, in the video linked elsewhere in this thread, Bruce McAdams talks about the effects tipping has on turnover among waitstaff (it increases it). This is probably detrimental to serving repeat business better.

Edit: For that matter, what if you're a repeat customer that tips lower than average? Now the interests of the owner and the waitstaff are at odds. The owner wants you to come back and spend more, but the waitstaff will treat you (relatively) poorly.


It is going to take a lot of concurrent repeat customers to appreciably degrade the service that new customers receive, at which point the value of obtaining new customers is diminished. We don't have to talk in hypotheticals with this though, we need to look no further than how business-minded owners treat repeat customers in real life. Repeat business is preferred business.

Server turnover in practice is unlikely to hurt repeat business unless we are talking about unprecedented amounts of turnover on the period of days or weeks. A churn period of several months or more is unlikely to dramatically harm repeat traffic. Certainly I have never stopped visiting a bar because my preferred bartender left.

Furthermore, presumably if a repeat customer repeatedly gets poor service, then that customer does not care about the quality of service. I get fucking awful service from the coffee shop I usually spend my Saturday mornings in (perhaps because I only take my coffee black, or perhaps because I refuse to tip baristas...), but I don't care because I don't need frequent coffee refills and I mostly like them for their decor.

tl;dr: If tipping really is bad for business, then the business owners would be fighting it. They're not stupid, knowing their customers and maintaining a customer base is their livelihood.


"ditch a system that offers no benefit"

Is that based on things said in this one article or did the article point to actual research attesting to that fact? (I didn't read the entire multi part article so I'd like to know if you've identified where that fact came from).


I don't think AlexandrB was stating that tipping offers no benefit, but instead asked what benefit it provides and making the argument that if it doesn't provide any positives, but does provide negatives, then it should be ditched.


If a waiter/waitress does a good job they will be more likely to get a better tip. If a waiter/waitress does a bad job they will get smaller / no tip.

Now, they will not necessarily get a bigger tip or even necessarily get a tip if they do a wonderful job, but it does make some people.




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