I have no skin in this game, I didn't read the item in question, but I am interested in community dynamics.
Now I've had a brief look at it. Speaking purely for myself I find the ensuing thread a deeply unpleasant read. I don't care about the article in question, but I would flag the thread for its unpleasantness. I haven't, I won't, but I can see why others might feel that the entire argument is non-constructive, and that HN would be better off without it.
Just my opinion, of course, which is probably worth as much as you've paid for it.
Added in edit: We're recently learned that HN has a flame-war detector. I'd be unsurprised to learn that this tripped it.
..i think one of the reasons the thread got so toxic was over the (apparently true) allegations that the post was being heavily flagged - and early on.
according to op (of original thread) it appears that the flagging occurred almost immediately, so the argument that some may be flagging due to the toxic nature of the thread doesn't make much sense to me.
its still odd behaviour.. look at any similar post (in terms of age/activity) and you can clearly see that one stands-out as odd. here's one that looks to follow a more typical progression - http://hnrankings.info/5719667/
also from making it near the top [rank 3 / 22:30-22:45] it rapidly fell close to the bottom of the front page [rank 22 / 23:10].. that's a pretty quick decline.
This is behavior I've seen before. A rapid rise, staying high in the rankings for a but, then getting a few flags to take it to the bottom of the front page, or the top of the second page. A few more upvotes to get it back on the front page, normal declining with age and/or upvotes intermingled with the occasional flag, then getting hammered.
It's usually on long, unpleasant and angry exchanges that I see this behavior on, and I'm not at all surprised.
thanks for the actual rankings numbers - that would have saved me some time..
and i agree that thread got pretty unpleasant and i think it highlights another side of the same problem as it shows how people who may not like the particular issue furiously attack those who do (and likewise in reverse).
i really believe if one made-up a similar post and reversed the roles between the two companies the reaction would have been substantially different - both in terms of the thread commentary and flagging. its one thing to disagree with something and argue against it, its another thing to try to burry something which only serves to depress any good exchange of thoughts that came come-out of it.
> good exchange of thoughts that came come-out of it.
I don't flag threads if there's good discussion in them. I do flag threads that collapse into unpleasant nastiness. I downvote some of the worst examples of unpleasantness too.
It's very easy to say that people flag a thread just because it has positive coverage of companyA or negative coverage of companyB - and maybe that does happen - but the HN mechanisms are opaque and some people[1] flag threads for different reasons.
clearly people flag for different reasons. that just bolsters my point that there should be an examination of flagging behaviour and some clarification around how its meant to be used, if need be, and potentially some adjustments to prevent occurrences such as when "people flag a thread just because it has positive coverage of companyA or negative coverage of companyB"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715168
And here's a history of its ranking, clearly showing flags or other penalizing behavior:
http://hnrankings.info/5715168/
I have no skin in this game, I didn't read the item in question, but I am interested in community dynamics.
Now I've had a brief look at it. Speaking purely for myself I find the ensuing thread a deeply unpleasant read. I don't care about the article in question, but I would flag the thread for its unpleasantness. I haven't, I won't, but I can see why others might feel that the entire argument is non-constructive, and that HN would be better off without it.
Just my opinion, of course, which is probably worth as much as you've paid for it.
Added in edit: We're recently learned that HN has a flame-war detector. I'd be unsurprised to learn that this tripped it.