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"These assessments are confirmed by the actual experience of high-speed rail lines in Japan and Europe. Since Japan introduced high-speed bullet trains, passenger rail has lost more than half its market share to the automobile. Since Italy, France, and other European countries opened their high-speed rail lines, rail’s market share in Europe has dwindled from 8.2 to 5.8 percent of travel. If high-speed rail doesn’t work in Japan and Europe, how can it work in the United States?"

The author who wrote that has in all likelihood never traveled by train in Europe. At least in Germany, high speed trains are a huge success and often overcrowded when I use them.



I usually assume that a statistic is more accurate than an anecdote, unless you have done some research that shows his statistic to be wrong.


Have you done some research that shows this statistic to be correct? Perhaps you might want to take a look at who is sponsoring this "statistic":

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cato-institute


So facts from people we don't like are to be ignored?

I just know that you're not making the case that there are special groups that we can trust with statistics and special groups we can't. Because that's an insult to our intelligence. Sources have bias. We multi-source to eliminate them. No need to impeach the source. Argue the facts.


The article sources this statistic to an official EU document(?):

http://ec.europa.eu/publications/booklets/eu_glance/44/en-3....

Look near the bottom of page 52...

Edit: I can't seem to connect to the Japanese statistics page, but that too is sourced, and I can't imagine they'd just flat out lie about the contents of a publicly available document...


Thanks for the link. This statistic does not have a separate category for high speed trains and consequently cannot be used to make statements about them.

The relative drop in rail traffic is much more likely due to the fact that local short distance routes have been closed down aggressively in the past 20 years. In Germany, also medium speed trains routes (160km/h), like the ones serviced by the InterRegio, have been cut.

Using this statistic to make any claims about high speed trains is naive or intellectually dishonest.


Cato produces some of the best work in the Think Tank world. I've seldom seen anyone out-argue them with evidence. As far as conflict of interest goes, they famously turned down a donation from Fannie Mae during the bubble because they didn't want it to look like they were not legit.




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