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So in other words, the 911 was amazing design. I dunno about you, but to me a car that practically drives itself sounds awesome.


The 911s pre-1989 were really hard to drive. They didn't start adding electronics into them until a lot of people had died in 911 accidents.

I don't actually think the 911 is a good design at all. There's good engineering to make a bad design work, but it's pretty much inferior to a genuinely well designed car which doesn't require quality engineering.

The AK-47 is a better assault rifle than the AR-15, in that an illiterate dude with a stamping machine can turn out a reliable AK-47 which can be operated by children, whereas the AR-15 requires pretty high tech materials to work well (the right lubricants, the right barrel linings, etc.), and while it's easy to shoot, does require some maintenance which illiterate children aren't going to give it.

Now, the older MX-5 Miata, that's a good design. Simple, cheap, drives well.


Whoa, so the Porsche 911 (very appropriate name in the USA!) is Windows.


That's the modern 911's though. The 70's ones had severe problems with understeer because the front is so light, but once you got that under control there was massive oversteer due to the sheer weight of the back.

Turns out putting your engine behind the rear axis is not a very naturally stable design. Needs computers to keep it drivable.

Of course you likely won't notice any of this driving to the supermarket ... but then you're abusing this car and should feel bad.


Have you actually driven one? It isn't as bad as you might think. When you are on the power, having the weight on the rear of the car is an advantage. They aren't nearly as hard to drive as their reputation leads people to believe.

I bet more new drivers struggle with the heaviness of the clutch and lack of power steering before they get anywhere near the limits of the car.


Unfortunately I have not. But I have seen several accelerating from a stoplight and almost not making the corner on a perfectly dry road.

Granted, the car I drive also understeers madly ... but all cheap front-wheel cars do that. (yes, I like having fun with cars even when they're cheap and have no business being driven like that)

As for the car's limits, you don't buy a car like this to not hit the limits. If you do, then you make me sad.




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