First you try to record the ICE officers, then the ICE officers pepper spray you, then Alex Pretti steps in, then they tackle him, take his gun, and murder him in cold blood.
Then the feds grab the evidence to make sure the investigation has as little to go on as humanly possible.
Then why prevent the investigation? It's standard procedure when a cop kills someone and the courts are notoriously deferential to the police. ICE is speaking with actions, and those actions say they can't even begin to make the case that Pretti had murderous intent.
It's also obvious to anyone who has seen the recordings. Which is why ICE is so hell-bent on stopping recordings.
I don't think this will have the effect that the administration thinks it will.
People aren't ignoring all of the things they have been up to. They're keeping track, regardless of the data that the government puts out.
Still, the administration thinks people will just forget. In their minds, it will all simmer down, and since they now control the government, they can avoid consequences from voters and from the courts.
The problem is, history shows that there are worse things for those who abuse human rights than losing elections or facing trial. It would be better for them - and the country - if they kept the data open, disciplined the officers who can't abide by basic professional standards, and re-evaluated their approach.
Four of the five largest protests in American history have been against this administration. None them have involved 3.5% of all 330+ million of us, but people haven't been "ignoring it and doing nothing" either.
Voting:
"When you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election" - Trump [0]
The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, which Trump has been throwing fits about Congress not passing [1]
Memes:
Admittedly, this one's far looser, as it's local law enforcement doing the arrest, not the federal government, but "Tennessee man jailed over anti-Trump meme suing sheriff, county" [2] It would be interesting to see if the sheriff was contacted by federal law enforcement over the post.
This one's not as loose, as the federal government is trying to uncover the identity of a Reddit poster who has criticized ICE [3]
Jokes:
Suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live! after host's monologue [4]
Public meetings:
National Security Presidential Memorandum-7 [5], though that links to a much larger collection of information on Trump's actions directed at civil society.
That is weak evidence that the administration is "focused on removing" memes, jokes, voting, public meetings, etc. The SAVE act can arguably be seen as increasing confidence in our elections by adopting standard practices from developed democracies worldwide.
We’ll see. Depends on the primaries. Institutional dems have a pitiful track record on holding people accountable. I expect we’ll see a lot of reaching across the isle and ‘moving forwards, not dwelling on the past’.
You see this very often, these kinds of things keep escalating and with the destruction of the rule of law and the need to suck up to an executive a country basically becomes a black hole for investors.
Every time the chain of evil is allowed to persist it corrupts a widening tranche of people and the inertia for compromise just increases until sudden system collapse.
It's just normal error propagation in the network. Only taking ethics and morality seriously at the grass roots level can stop this, but people have gone absolutely wacky for ingroup and apocalyptic thinking and the lie "everyones doing this" has been really pushed hard as a thought stopper.
That's alright, I've been counting them myself to keep track, since I knew other sources of the data would eventually disappear. So far, eight people have been deported.
> I've been counting them myself to keep track, since I knew other sources of the data would eventually disappear. So far, eight people have been deported.
If only 8 people have been deported so far that would mean American children would make up half of your list. Just in 2025 50,000 people were deported to Guatemala alone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNICf0Nd3BM)
imagine what this looks like in three more years by 2029, 1000 more days
they are lying more and more to courts, they immediately move people out of state at great expense to prevent lawyers from access
we only know of the warehouse prisons they gave up on, there are likely many moving forward or already exist in secret buried inside military bases without press or congressional access
if the Dems don't win the Senate the country is done, House is not enough, House will just be a dog-and-pony show since they have no enforcement powers
What about the extremism causing all of this, three years ago we didn't have folks with legal right to work here being executed in the street, separated from their families, deported right after getting out of a hospital for life threatening illnesses... politicians calling other people subhuman, animals, all criminals.. odd you dont mention THAT extremism.
Your critical error assuming that an Employment Authorization Document confers residency status when the document itself explicitly states it does not aside, no other Western country tolerates people overstaying visas, entering illegally or the massive identity theft that follows from people with no status stealing people's identity (sometimes leading to ruined lives for innocent people).
You would never call out the Dallas extremist accidentally mowing down two INNOCENT detainees because it's very inconvenient for your case, despite your entire argument purportedly being driven by care for these people (the same people that were collateral damage in Dallas).
Americans’ apathy to your concerns and their support of this administration is a direct consequence of the emotional blackmail tactic you employ. I share some of your concerns, but also have an awareness that enforcing the law to correct for past immigration policy failures will be ugly. The emotional blackmail is a learned behavior fueled by social media campaigns that effectively traumatize the hell out of us by amplifying violence and often removing their context.
I don’t think there’s any context that would make executing a father in front of his daughter and actively suppressing accountability any better. You might call it emotional blackmail, but many of us would consider it “pointing out basic human rights”.
Enforcing the law is not inherently good. It is only as good as the morality behind the law and the manner it which it is enforced. This administration and the forces backing it possess neither morality nor the ability to impartially enforce any of these laws.
Even if your insistence that asking for basic empathy encourages apathy is true, it only says something disturbing about the Americans supporting this administration. On that topic, polls have consistently shown that a majority of Americans do not approve of how the current immigration crackdown is being handled.
It is not a basic human right to enter a country illegally, or to overstay a visa. You also show absolutely no concern for human rights when an ICE activist mowed down two ICE detainees accidentally, tellingly so. You allegedly care about ICE detainees, but will happily ignore their deaths if they were slaughtered by an anti-ICE activist. It's not a good look, is it?
The activists also continually highlight the plight of people with sordid backgrounds, like Seamus Culleton. He was plastered throughout the media as a sympathetic deportee, until you also learn he was a wanted fugitive drug dealer in Ireland. Whoops, memory holed!
On the topic of polls, the vast majority of Americans support deportations. 56% of registered voters support deporting ALL illegal aliens. Not just criminals - ALL.
Of course. Think of the chil... no, it's a matter of natio... no. Hrm .. well we have nothing to hide! Same as you, yet you keep your doors locked and bank account hidden!
Then the feds grab the evidence to make sure the investigation has as little to go on as humanly possible.
Now this.
The information lockdown continues apace.
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