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Which aspect is unsustainable?


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Oh? I did not realize there were warlord armies rampaging through the countryside in hope of establishing dynastic Muslim rule. Pat yourself on the head for such an astute historic parallel.


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> Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here

"Dumbest" wouldn't be the word I'd use here, considering the views on immigration are sharply divided by education level. I reckon HN has an overrepresentation of people with (at least) a college degree, relative to the general population.


Ah, so these immigrants are indeed part of some sort of caliphate army — just one that was let in without a fight? Yes, that makes sense.

> Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here.

Insert "We're All Trying To Find The Guy Who Did This" meme.


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I don't know, but I'm not deranged enough to say that Muslim immigrants in my country are part of an invading force. All the ones I know are quite nice, actually.

Personally, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are.


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As I said above, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are. (It's possible to have sensible and humane immigration policy along any point on that axis.) Slandering immigrants as "invaders" or "parasites" should be met with the harshest possible rebuke, if not outright prosecution for hate speech.


My concern is not the people coming in but the use of hate speech laws to silence any voices that oppose different viewpoints. If being against mass migration is hate speech its time to get rid of hate speech laws.


At no point did anyone say that being against mass migration is hate speech.

But if you're like "these vermin hoards are poisoning the blood of our people," then... yeah.


I think the immigration is what keeps Spain from turning into another Japan or Germany - a stagnant, overly old place stuck in time.


And in Spain most immigrants are from Latin America with close enough culture and language to avoid most integration problems.


I wouldn't say most.

It's around 55–60% of immigrants who come from Spanish-speaking countries.

Also, this uses official numbers, which reflect a larger Spanish speaking share than there is in reality (as people from Spanish-speaking countries have more straightforward visa processes).

So the real percentage is probably much lower (as there are a lot of undocumented migrants. 1.2 million applied for "legalization").


spain has a significant rich-brit problem of englishmen spending lots of money and not learning spanish


Besides the mentioned comments Spanish speaking immigration is much more welcomed by radical right AND Germany had a lot of German speaking immigration from Eastern Europe. There are just no German speaking minorities left in other countries.


Germany has had an immense amount of immigration over the past couple decades.


Immigrants but not immigration because there aren’t enough resources to help all the people to integrate.


Which is a political choice - not necessarily a resource problem. Germany, if any, would have the resources to help with integration but for decades most people and politicians were living in denial that people from other countries that came to Germany actually wanted to stay and _live_ there or were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn.


> were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn.

You’re not kidding, it’s literally set in the German constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendme...


Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre...

Remember, this was at a time when German government bonds were sold with _negative_ interest. So, Germany was refusing to take on any further debt at the time to invest (i.E. in social capital like workers, better immigration, in infrastructure etc. etc.) and is now trying to rectify this partially, at a time where interest rates are close to 3%. Personally, to me as a non-economist, this feels like a missed opportunity of a lifetime.


Yeah, I like to live in Germany but the leadership is extremely good at missing lifetime opportunities…


They have a real negative view of humanity. All lazy and corrupt. And that in a country with over 600M unpaid overtime hours and lots of things done based on voluntary work. Maybe some kind of projection.

Pretty ironic that the Christian party doesn’t act christian and the social party doesn’t act social.


Just came back from Japan and I found it vibrant and modern.


Did you visit the countryside?

Japan has an aging problem and a big misogyny problem too.


Literally every country has a countryside problem. From US to Russia to Asia to any country in Europe.


Name the country and I will easy find the spots where it is not vibrant and modern, and then say "did you visit those?"

Say, I heard France has great cuisine, but I had street food in Paris and it was meh.


Doesn’t change facts about Japan‘s problems. In certain parts they are just less visible.


Avoiding cherry picking does in fact change facts.


It doesn’t change facts. Cherry picking change the perception of facts, like your visit of Japan


If you went to Japan in the 90’s, 00’s or 10’s, you’ll find the issue is that Japan still feels mostly the same. It’s a wonderful country, but post-Japan’s asset bubble and crash there’s been noticeably less change.


Change for the sake of change is what cancers are.


Why does it need to change?


Except they don't seem to be an Isreali puppet state


It seems in current discourse, turning a European country into another USA is a compliment.


Why do you thinks so?

A country with narcissistic criminal as leader who damages the US science for decades, kills people by dismantling USAID. The raising costs because of his four-week-war against Iran doesn’t help either but damages the economy worldwide.


I didn't say I think so - I said in current discourse - e.g. this site and x.com. The narrative is that Europe is stagnant and US has pulled ahead, at least economically.

I think that can be consistent with Trump destroying the long term future of the country and the planet.




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