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Meaning it only leads to suppression of evidence and not punishment for the perpetrators? Or that they'll have to come up with some probable cause to make it legal, but they can do that more or less at will? Or something else?


This whole conversation is bizarre. yes, that is what I said.

it seems to be pretty different from what you were saying though, since if you meant it that way then what is even the point of your comment?


Yeah, it is pretty bizarre, seeing as how I’ve been very clear that police will gin up probable cause or just ignore the requirement for it, and you keep acting like I’m a poor naive little soul who thinks cops are nice and friendly.


Uh huh. That’s not at all what your comments have been saying.


I said it repeatedly. Nearly every comment of mine in this chain contains a disclaimer about police misbehaving in real life. Not my fault if you managed to miss them all.



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