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How does this reconcile with recent studies that intermittent fasting is severely detrimental to lifespan? (https://newsroom.heart.org/news/8-hour-time-restricted-eatin...)

Is it two antagonistic factors that require us to meet in the middle to find the healthiest balance or is there something else at play?



I absolutely hate nutritional studies.

My first quibble is: honestly an 8 hour window for eating is pretty large, that's like, late breakfast, lunch and dinner. Is that fasting? It seems like kind of a normal eating schedule.

My first thought when I read something like this is "why would it be severely detrimental" and the first response is "the kind of people who are overweight are the ones who are going to be trying new diets to lose weight, and being overweight in the first place is severely detrimental to lifespan." Controlling for that, there may be something further confounding, for instance.

People skip breakfast all the time, and skipping breakfast leads to a 60% increase cancer risk. Peter Attia has a writeup on this [1]. Turns out, the people who skip breakfast are far less health conscious. People who skipped breakfast were 3X as likely to smoke. As he says, 'health and lifestyle characteristics between groups can either mask or exaggerate the association between frequency of breakfast consumption and mortality.'

I'd be very surprised if a kinda normal ish eating schedule led to a materially worse outcome when properly controlled. But proper control is damn near impossible in nutrition studies.

[1] https://peterattiamd.com/does-skipping-breakfast-increase-th...


>My first quibble is: honestly an 8 hour window for eating is pretty large, that's like, late breakfast, lunch and dinner. Is that fasting? It seems like kind of a normal eating schedule.

Even worse, they define, "time-restricted eating" as being up to 12 hours!

>Time-restricted eating, a type of intermittent fasting, involves limiting the hours for eating to a specific number of hours each day, which may range from a 4- to 12-hour time window in 24 hours.


If you go much past 12 hours you’re now getting into poor sleep hygiene which of course causes massive problems.


Thanks for the insight - especially that bit about skipping breakfast. I've seen that kind of silly conclusion from poorly controlled data in studies in my field, apparently I am blind to it in other fields.


That study is an abstract and was not peer reviewed. I find this an implausible result. Is there a version that has been peer reviewed yet?


Fasting increases nitric oxide levels. Maybe that's bad for people with existing cardiovascular issues? Probably the same people who would try intermittent fasting- it's a relatively bigger population. Of course you have to balance that against complications from being overweight.


Nitric oxide actually dilates your blood vessels, reduces blood pressure and improves cardiovascular outcomes. [1] Water fasting for a couple of days brings your systolic and diastolic numbers waaaaay down over 10 days.

> The average reduction in blood pressure was 37/13 mm Hg, with the greatest decrease being observed for subjects with the most severe hypertension. [2]

It's probably just a poor job of controlling variables in the study.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15722114/

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11416824/




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