> My city has had and automated metro for nearly 40 years.
Every year, in every country, there are failures that lead to fatalities. They are, thanks to technology, decreasing.
> It’s rather easy with rail.
It takes hundreds of engineers years to safely design and implement a train control system, and it branches out with complexity. Every year, cascading failures cause serious issues.
In 40 years there has not been a single failure of automation I am aware of leading to a death here in a city of millions. This is a busy metro not some tiny thing with a couple stops
40. Years.
So yea it is a solved problem from the perspective of living in an area with a large metro that has been fully automated for as long as I’ve been alive with very few failures and zero of these “serious issues” you think happen.
They were able to do it here with 40 year old tech, it should be easier and cheaper to do now
And it is easy when you are on rails in a controlled grade separate environment compared to automating cars/whatever Tesla is failing to do with cameras alone
And you say it’s not metro but people here are acting like the Tesla loop is “metro” and can compare/be better/cheaper then real metro by “just have multiple tunnels”
Hey, I also live in a large metro with a great safety record! Yes, because of some serious engineering. Tons of effort with continual upgrades and maintenance.
First of all, you seem to be assuming that I’m saying it’s not doable. It obviously is doable.
But you know, maybe go and read up some of the postmortems of train control systems failing.
And easy _compared to_ vision based systems? Sure! But that’s not even close to the same as “it’s easy”
> And you say it’s not metro but people here are acting like the Tesla loop is “metro” and can compare/be better/cheaper then real metro by “just have multiple tunnels”
I do not know what point you are trying to make here and I’m not sure you do either.
The system here still ran on 80s computers as of a few years ago and has had minimal upgrades.
Your missing the point: this was a solved problem 40 years ago and Tesla has decided to reinvent what works, for less capacity, with a far more difficult problem to solve and it’s somehow better?
You called it not metro, other people in this thread are calling it a metro and it “will be better then a metro
> Your missing the point: this was a solved problem 40 years ago and Tesla has decided to reinvent what works, for less capacity, with a far more difficult problem to solve and it’s somehow better?
I never said it was or wasn't unsolved. I also agree with that, and I do not understand how you could confuse what I've said as some sort of approval for Tesla. Like, I didn't say it was unsolved, just that it's a difficult problem. I didn't say their approach was good. And I sure didn't say it's better!
> You called it not metro, other people in this thread are calling it a metro and it “will be better then a metro
What? Okay? What's that got to do with me?
Like for real, you're just making stuff up in your head and getting mad at me over it, and I don't see a point of continuing this conversation if YOU'RE going to keep doing it.
It turns out that this is a particularly hard problem.
Oh, and if you get it wrong, people will die. In some cases, dozens of people.