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Oh, come on. Fuck this.

Can we ever trust a service to keep running for even a third of our lifetime?



The services that they're shutting down were all provided for free with no obvious source of significant revenue.

If you were paying them and they were making a profit then you might have a better chance.


I haven't looked in to this particular instance, but in general...

why buy a company that has no significant revenue? It's not like it's some shock to google - "oh no, meebo doesn't make enough money!?"

So... yeah, the services were provided 'free' in some sense, but meebo was able to continue running before this. Just... yeah.. buy stuff, shut it down.

If it's not a significant source of revenue, it probably doesn't take a significant amount of cash to keep it running for another 6 months to a year.

EDIT: I should have added, I understand the logical reasoning behind buying a company for its assets/talent. Doesn't mean it's not annoying.


I believe Meebo was purchased to become part of Google+ not to be an independently operated subsidiary of Google. This shutting down doesn't mean that Meebo will leave the internet space, it just means that the next time we'll see Meebo it'll be with a "Google+" logo on it.

Larry Page has been shutting down and consolidating divisions of Google for the last 18 months. This appears to fit his strategy at the moment. Why pay for two chat divisions?


Why buy a chat service if you already have one?

They wanted the meebobar only, because it's cheaper than building their own, or it's too entrenched to compete against. Those are the only two plausible explanations that would make sense (to me, obviously) but neither actually make much sense when applied to Google.


> why buy a company that has no significant revenue?

Because users are often just as if not more valuable than the money a company makes. Google probably bought Meebo because they thought the product was a good fit for their new social direction and because it already has a user base.

As far as the services they're shutting down, most of them are in conflict with things Google+ does.


If they are shutting down every user-facing service, how is the userbase relevant?

From the news they're only interested in the Meebo Bar installed base, which are not end-users.


The users are switched to Google services. They'll probably be privately emailed about it.


According to CrunchBase Meebo took in about 70 million in investment over the course of the company. They started in 2005 and kept growing so you might guess their burn rate is about a million bucks per month. (LinkedIn lists 160 Meebo employees, so a million might even be way low)

Perhaps 6-12 million dollars is insignificant by your standards, but if they don't have the dough then they have to close up shop. You could argue that they could fire everybody and just keep a skeleton crew to keep the site running for a year, probably much cheaper. But what purpose would that serve for them? It would be a dead company at that point.


Userbase, talent, technology. It's surprisingly easy to have a very well put together company that nevertheless is missing some key elements needed for profitability.


> The services that they're shutting down were all provided for free with no obvious source of significant revenue.

You mean like GMail?

You would have at least thought they could integrate the MSN/AIM/Yahoo messenger etc into GMail.


GMail has a pretty obvious source of revenue. But more importantly it's hugely strategically valuable. GMail is the #1 reason for people creating Google accounts. Google has a clear desire to have people signed in when performing searches and it lowers the barrier to adoption for it's other products such as Google Plus, Google Docs, etc.


GMail does make some direct revenue for Google (ads and paid storage), but it was (and probably still is) their #1 method for onboarding users to the Google Accounts system. And that gets them access to pay for all sorts of Google products. GMail has been key in growing Google's active user base.


AIM has been integrated in Gmail since 2007.

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/gmail-chat-aim-crazy-d...


You can unfortunately no longer log into an AIM account in Gmail and have those contacts appear like in the blog post you linked to. They got rid of that feature a couple years ago.


Bait and switch.

The "cloud" really replaced "desktop computing"... And by cloud i mean Google and desktop Microsoft. But you knew that.


The entire IM client UI was one big ad. I'd be surprised if they couldn't make enough money to run the IM client by plastering a giant Best Buy elf across the screen, especially given that eBuddy makes its money in the same way.


> If you were paying them and they were making a profit then you might have a better chance.

Not necessarily. A non-free service is unlikely to get enough traction to remain alive.


Why did we started talking about facebook now?


This is why I tend to use paid services. The incentive to shut down services that make money is a lot less than those that hemhorrage cash.


You can have mismanaged paid services that hemhorrage cash, and you can have well managed free services that are extremely profitable. I don't think there's a logical correlation.

One datapoint is the massive amount of investment they took, and the amount of time they've been going. It was obvious they'd need an exit soon.


Not necessarily. A non-free service is unlikely to get enough traction to remain in business. And I can't think of a single paid messaging client.


I think going into messaging at all would be extremely risky and you'd need to have a really fantastic product and a clever business plan to make it profitable. The space is already dominated by free options - all of which are funded by giant companies that make their revenue on other products.

The only paid client I know of is Trillian Pro. They've been around for quite a while but I have a feeling it's a small company with low overhead. It would be interesting to know what percentage of their revenue comes from the paid pro version vs the ad-supported free version.


My favorite coffee shop shut down.


You might find this entertaining - I'm watching a speech by Alan Kay at the moment where he says that computing is more pop-culture than science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmTSpJU-Xc


Well, IRC and email might exist longer then you are old now... (guessing that a lot of people here will be around 20 years old)


You're not serious, are you? What's the average lifetime of a company - 10 years? And since the pace of change keeps accelerating, that means the average life keeps getting shorter (used to be 15 years, etc).


That it's the current unavoidable state of things doesn't make it any better.

I can't count on my fingers the number of services I considered adopting (and vouching for) that were shot down mid-flight in the past year and half. It's getting to hard to trust any business for more than short-term commitment, not just unproven ones.




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