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One, students that don't listen used to be removed. So, potential totally yes.

Two, I expect her to put a lot of personal effort into becoming at expert in motivation, behavior management, discipline for kids. I expect her to at least read ONE book about this. She complains for 2+ years about this that I've known her. I recommend books, she gets insulted and explains why it's not relevant.

IMO a teacher being paid $90k a year for 7 hours a day of work, 10 months a year, should be working hard to improve. But instead it's just a cushy job that no one gets fired from no matter how average (or below) they are.

Ps, I have never seen her take work home once in 2 years. So don't say the hours are long.

Tldr; I'd like her to do whatever other teachers that have better control of their classrooms do. Unless you're going to tell me there's zero variation in that amongst teachers.



IMO a teacher being paid $90k a year for 7 hours a day of work, 10 months a year, should be working hard to improve.

Teacher salaries for San Ramon (and California generally) are publicly accessible (by band, and for some counties like San Ramon by name), so I doubt very much your soon-to-be-ex girlfriend is making $90k as a sixth grade teacher. She'd have to be fairly old and well-established as a teacher, or have multiple graduate-level credentials in multiple subjects (in which case she wouldn't be teaching 6th grade).

That would be out-of-band, especially considering what you claim to be extremely subpart performance on her part.

Indeed, it sounds like you're making this up to try and claim that teachers are overpaid and underworked. They're not, and it's especially rich coming from someone who is clearly an overpaid, underworked tech employee with enough free time this afternoon to devote all of it to commenting in this thread instead of doing valuable work.


A guy above me sent a link where you can find the salaries. A long term teacher in her 30s, with masters, a few extra credentials, yada yada, will make $90k.


> IMO a teacher being paid $90k a year for 7 hours a day of work, > 10 months a year, should be working hard to improve.

I don't disagree that she should work to improve, but you are using $90K as if it were a lot of money. According to census data [1], the median household income in San Ramon is $173,519/year and the median rent is $2,557/month.

In San Ramon, you can get paid $65,000/year as an assistant manager at Starbucks without getting a 4 year degree plus teaching credentials.

Plus, how is she earning so much? The San Ramon teacher salary schedule is public: [2]

[1] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanramoncitycal...

[2] https://www.srvusd.net/documents/Employment/Employment-Resou...


Did you just show me a chart where over 1/3 of the numbers are around or above $90k, and then ask me how she could be earning that number?


Yes, but that 1/3rd is all high school teachers with multiple certifications or teachers who have 20+ years of teaching experience.

Based on what you've said about your soon-to-be-ex girlfriend, she isn't either of those things.


> I have never seen her take work home once in 2 years. So don't say the hours are long.

What does she teach? One of my best friends is a foreign language teacher that leaves home for work around 6AM and is never back home until around 7-8PM. Partially because they have to coach for sporting events because the paycheck for just teaching is ridiculously low; less than $50k/yr last I asked. Fairly middle class area in a suburb of Chicago, by the way.

But yes, if what you've said is halfway accurate, it sounds like her and her coworkers are fairly underqualified and/or under-driven.


She's at a public school, and she's a 6th grade teacher. I can't say any more because it's already an almost doxable situation.

That sucks your hard working teacher is only making $50k. They should move to the San Ramon area and sit around teaching the kids of middle management of SV.


Teachers don't seem to get trained on behaviors the way you'd might expect. It always surprises me how school psychs seem to have kids teachers think are intractable improving in thirty minutes just to have it wasted the second they're back in the regular classroom with someone who actively self-sabotages.

That said, school folks I know value credentials and authority toooons so recommending books without being "certified" somehow and having it eye rolled doesn't shock me.




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