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Doesn't Netflix use Akamai? If so, there's almost no traffic (when measured on Comcast's scale) from Comcast <-> Netflix, as each movie just needs to be downloaded once, and is then cached on a server living inside Comcast's network.


Netflix now uses Level 3, who has paid peering links to Comcast. http://www.voxel.net/blog/2010/12/peering-disputes-comcast-l...

Also, I'm not sure that Akamai is serving everything from inside other ISPs; I know that was their original model, but things may have changed in 15 years.


Netflix uses all three major CDNs. The client choses the best one.


Do you have a source? I'm interested in knowing what "best one" means. If it means "cheapest for Netflix", it wouldn't surprise me if this all combines to mean that Netflix have moved the bulk of their traffic to Level 3, who don't pay anything to Comcast; away from Akamai & Limelight, who do (and are therefore more expensive).


Well, I could point you to the presentations at http://www.slideshare.net/netflix, but the first thing you'd find is my presentation, since I work there. :)

None of this is really secret insider information -- you can get it all by Wiresharking your connection, if you have Netflix.

Price has nothing to do with it actually. The client downloads a small file from all the CDNs, and then picks the one with the best response. If the quality of the connection degrades during playback, it repeats the process. So "best" is actually the one with the fastest performance at that time.


That's a great link, though a little confusing to me. Here's what I understand, with fake dollar amounts:

CDN services need to be priced at $2.

Netflix used to use Akamai; Netflix paid Akamai $3, Akamai paid Comcast $1, and everyone was happy.

Netflix now moved to Level 3, who they pay $1, and Level 3 demand $1 from Comcast (because L3 makes a loss if they don't charge $2). Netflix saved $2, so is happy. Comcast is unhappy, because they're out that same $2.

So now Comcast is crying foul and looking at ways to recoup that $2. Netflix is engaging in a PR battle, but really caused all this by switching from Akamai to Level 3.

Is that accurate?


> and Level 3 demand $1 from Comcast

What?

The closest I've heard is that Level 3 wants Comcast to charge $0 under their pre-existing peering agreement.

Comcast claimed Netflix's traffic isn't covered by the agreement and asked for extra fees. Level 3 complied (under protest).

This new thing Reed Hastings is talking about is different from that issue. AFAIK.


The voxel article says it, but the GigaOM article it links to spells it out: "Akamai and Limelight pay Comcast to deliver their traffic to their end users. Level 3, on the other hand, is paid by Comcast, ostensibly for transit, but now, seemingly, to deliver traffic that Level 3 has already been paid for — by Netflix."

I feel that Netflix is trying to rally the net-neutrality army to come to its aid, but may not be an entirely neutral player here.


These articles were written while the negotiations were going on. I'm pretty sure Level 3 is now paying Comcast.


I thought comcast/level3 was settlement free?


Maybe it was free until Level 3 said "hey Comcast, why don't we expand our peering by 500 Gbps so that it can handle Netflix" and Comcast replied "that's gonna cost you".


Hmm, while what you say may be technically true, it makes it appear as if Comcast would have incurred an expense which they wanted to recoup.

IIRC, Level 3 wanted to simply push more traffic through their existing peering ports. Would that have Comcast more? No, it wouldn't have, AFAIK.




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