> both aspects are defined with a language that the computer parses, interprets, and executes on.
Sure, but low order definitions of "code" being something that takes an input and produces a different output do not relate to the real world unless you believe modern word processors require programmers.
> Referring to someone as a beginner is not discriminatory, we all start as beginners and it's okay to not know things.
I think you're missing the point that the statement you made applies to a wide variety of discussion, not simply binary code|not_code discussions.
> Most of the gatekeeping of what is and isn't "coding" is done by novices who don't really know what they're talking about
This statement would also imply anyone trying to sort out coding from formatting, from styling as a novice. There's a reason we separate these activities in programming that has to do with how you model applications not to mention empowering the people who have expertise in doing them.
While I agree that code|not_code is not helpful, trying to make the definition of code so low order that it's meaningless is also not helpful. There's a bar there that belongs in the middle and I think you both have missed it. I was merely calling out equally harmful wording that you were using to correct harmful wording.
Sure, but low order definitions of "code" being something that takes an input and produces a different output do not relate to the real world unless you believe modern word processors require programmers.
> Referring to someone as a beginner is not discriminatory, we all start as beginners and it's okay to not know things.
I think you're missing the point that the statement you made applies to a wide variety of discussion, not simply binary code|not_code discussions.
> Most of the gatekeeping of what is and isn't "coding" is done by novices who don't really know what they're talking about
This statement would also imply anyone trying to sort out coding from formatting, from styling as a novice. There's a reason we separate these activities in programming that has to do with how you model applications not to mention empowering the people who have expertise in doing them.
While I agree that code|not_code is not helpful, trying to make the definition of code so low order that it's meaningless is also not helpful. There's a bar there that belongs in the middle and I think you both have missed it. I was merely calling out equally harmful wording that you were using to correct harmful wording.