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I agree, one has to follow the law.

But on the other hand, I'm extremely glad I don't live in the USA.

I don't believe the SEC's definition of a security or the rules they put in place are a net good. I would not like to live under the SEC and other US financial regulator's restrictions — not just relating to crypto, but equity crowdfunding, retail derivatives platforms, and more, too. And I would not value the so-called "protections" that target the easiest to apply rules to over the worst offenders, and that have done little or nothing to provide clarity and end regulatory ambiguity. I am not protected from killing myself skiing, or losing all my money gambling, so I should not be "protected" from accessing certain financial assets/products — especially not to the extent and in the way that this happens in the US.

I think many (perhaps almost all) other nations have better definitions around securities, and better, more proportionate, and clearer rules for them (of course probably none are perfect, but that is true of nearly all rules). Some of those countries have even accepted that many of their citizens would like to experiment with these new technologies, and might like to see a different model for their regulation, to allow this experimentation, and tried to create rules to allow this, realising that stability and stasis should not be the goal above all else.

It is a shame to see this direction of travel.



For what it's worth, I don't think some of your examples are fully on point.

In many countries, gambling is heavily regulated. Not everybody can gamble, not everybody can offer gambling services, and there are rules and disclaimers on tickets/entries/whatever.

Similarly, yes you can ski anywhere, but some companies included waivers and disclaimers if e.g. you want to use their lifts or slopes or services.

Point is, even the best examples you came up with aren't actually a clear-cut case of "you can do whatever you want, it's on you, with no regulations or warning or protections".

At their best, regulations are a collective "We tried this, it sucked/harmed people, ouchie, let's not do it again". They ARE a "Let's learn the hard way" but on a societal scale. It is, to me, insane to take an unpragmatic, extreme, libertarian way of "everybody should learn from their own mistakes only".

(at their worst, of course, regulations are oppressive, ridiculous, overly complicated, serve limited or counter purpose, ambiguous, overbearing, and growing ad infinitum:)


“ think many (perhaps almost all) other nations have better definitions around securities”

That’s absurd. American markets are preferred by most of the planet. You may choose to keep your money out based on principal, but it won’t be a financially driven choice. It’s like buying a car based on the cars’ color. It’s one aspect but not one of the more important aspects. For most people, the criteria would be returns vs risk. American markets are relatively low risk and high return, even if we aren’t very democratic lately.


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Yikes, you can't attack other users like that. We ban accounts that do this.

I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.


I'm sorry, I know we're not suppose to engage in ad hominem attacks. I'll refrain in the future.


Appreciated!




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