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I think we agree more than we disagree, but I'm not fatalistic about browser CA roots; I think there are basic tactical things they can do today without breaking thousands of sites.

I agree with the world view you have, though: of the 3 most important organizations that control CA policy (I'm guessing that's Mozilla, Apple, and Microsoft), you have 2 companies for whom CA policy is small-ball that they're just not going to fight hard over, and the third is easily pushed around.

So, calling it like I see it: Mozilla isn't standing up for anything here, so much as they're getting rolled by abusive companies.



I didn't think we were disagreeing on anything substantive, unless I'm misreading. Mozilla's letter strikes me as somewhat hollow posturing, and Apple and Microsoft don't really seem interested in doing anything.




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