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Wow-- this is an increase from 17 in 2008 to 91 in 2009. I would have guessed that both were several orders of magnitude higher.


FTA:

  25,000: Number of requests reported by Verizon alone
  300: Number of those that were from federal agencies
  17: Number reported by federal agencies to federal watchdog


If you read the link, you'll see that it's a very narrow particular kind of search that is being reported upon, only a tiny subset of all the electronic searches done by law enforcement in the United States, and even in this narrow area, the reports are grossly wrong: when Verizon reports 300 requests were made just to Verizon in a particular year and the report shows less than 20, I'm willing to bet that Verizon's numbers are more accurate.

So frankly even in this very narrow category, the numbers ARE probably two orders of magnitude higher, and if we were were to look at all electronic searches in the USA, it would be several more orders of magnitude higher. (And then if we were to look at the "national security" semi-legal surveillance going on in the U.S., it would be another many orders of magnitude higher.)


This is the problem. The numbers aren't accurate!

You have no idea how many they're issueing, and they'll keep it that way.

Also a single request can contain information for multiple individuals. One request could represent data on 1000 people.

The entire process is fudged. There is no accountability.

Domestic wiretapping is being used on all America citizens 24/7.


The government has way over stepped it's bounds in response to the terrorist threat. I realized it first when I read a New Yorker article on the NSA[0].

In the past few years, the N.S.A. has built enormous electronic-storage facilities in Texas and Utah. Binney says that an N.S.A. e-mail database can be searched with “dictionary selection,” in the manner of Google. After 9/11, he says, “General Hayden reassured everyone that the N.S.A. didn’t put out dragnets, and that was true. It had no need—it was getting every fish in the sea.”

...

Even in an age in which computerized feats are commonplace, the N.S.A.’s capabilities are breathtaking. The agency reportedly has the capacity to intercept and download, every six hours, electronic communications equivalent to the contents of the Library of Congress. Three times the size of the C.I.A., and with a third of the U.S.’s entire intelligence budget, the N.S.A. has a five-thousand-acre campus at Fort Meade protected by iris scanners and facial-recognition devices. The electric bill there is said to surpass seventy million dollars a year.

[0] http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_...


when would they announce their co-location (and/or AWS cloud type) services? It can be a nice additional revenue stream (colo/cloud revenue is 5-10x electricity, ie. hundreds of millions per year in this case) that would ease US federal budget problems.


I knew it would be like that as soon as I read the headline. 400% increase in anything is very rare, unless the actual incidence is small.

Additionally, 400% is a pretty sensational(ist) number, and any time the headline sounds trumped-up, it usually is.




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