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We can’t even get developers to use FF, the times I read about it here (and maybe it is a vocal minority idk) that a developer doesn’t like a certain feature. Or they are missing feature X from chrome.

I think it would be a valid strategy if you do go after developers and sysadmins. So pour resources in getting parity where devs think they would switch.

In general whenever I help installing software for someone, I install FF, and I think I have installed in at least a couple dozen computers now.

Aka do a Blender. Blender has gained momentum by getting things right, not adding features nobody wants, or Blender sidegigs.

There is also the problem of addon monetization, Chrome has a whole ecosystem of people earning revenue from add ons. That’s a invested network you have to deal with at some point.



> Aka do a Blender. Blender has gained momentum by getting things right, not adding features nobody wants, or Blender sidegigs.

There is a parsimoniousness about Blender that is really quite incredible. I have rarely used an app that has so successfully resisted feature-creep and bloat. E.g. unlike almost all other 3D apps, it has no radial array tool or feature. Why not? Because you can cook your own using a simple linear array.


Isn't the screw modifier a similar thing? Also it seems quit full fledged to me tbh. And for everything else there are plugins.


Screw modifier is similar, but not the best route for a radial array.

I not knocking blender. I love its austere design philosophy. The add-ons are a case in point. Some very important functionality is not loaded by default (e.g. loop tools and copy attributes). But the devs seem to be saying, 'if we can live without something in the default load, then we should'. Huge difference to bloatware like 3DS Max.


The addon store for Chrome is close in 2021 though, so thats kind of moot. I'm sure some will convert to other payment methods, but I think it's rare.


> We can’t even get developers to use FF

That's a side effect of not listening to developers.

---

Dramatization:

  Web Developer: I need non-standard feature that works in IE and Chrome
  Firefox: But that's non-standard, you'll be able to use standard alternative in the future
  Web Developer: When?
  Firefox: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's still in draft
  Web Developer: But I need to finish my project this quarter
  Firefox: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  Web Developer: -webkit-something: 1
* 3 years later *

  Firefox: The web is full of -webkit-something and everyone thinks Firefox is broken because we support the standard something but not -webkit-something
  Firefox: Please remove the -webkit- prefix
  Web Developer: I don't support that project anymore
  Firefox: But you only need to remove the -webkit- prefix
  Web Developer: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
* 1 year later *

  Firefox: We will support -wekit-something because nobody fixes their websites for Firefox even when they only need to remove the -webkit- prefix
  Web Developer: So you're telling me that we can get away with not supporting Firefox and you'll eventually follow suit?
  Firefox: That's not what I meant
  Web Developer: -webkit-something-something: 1
---

To be honest I think that Firefox has already crossed the point of no return, in the past Firefox used to have a share of about 30% of the market and supporting Firefox was justified even if that meant writing twice the lines of code, but nowadays the share is less than 3%. Firefox doesn't have enough resources to compete against Chrome with features, and people doesn't care enough about security to justify a broken web for the sake of security.

I don't know whether it's a good idea or not, but rather than pitching Firefox for the mainstream web, I would push Firefox to become the de-facto browser for security sensitive scenarios (ex. online shopping, online banking, taxes, etc.). Supporting a subset of the web makes more sense in a resource-constrained scenario especially because the Servo experiment and the Rust project exist to tackle the security issue.


That’s what happens if the UI is shit.

The only place left for them is webapps like some of the electron based apps.




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