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I was refering to their initial elections:

I don't remember that Duda's first election at the time caused any trouble (it was a defeat of the the incumbent) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/duda-wins-polands-pre...

Also Orban's initial election was a surprise, but not undemocratic for what I know (I remember there was a number of scandal about oponents before.)

What happenned after the elections, of course, is a different thing...



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