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It is and I am an old history major so yes I am aware :).

I am not advocating for a total loss of privacy, merely that it is is a spectrum, and technology seems to be driving an acceleration of what is socially acceptable. And, that might be a good thing long term.

How do you change people's acceptance of things they are afraid of? You show them they don't need to be. You don't do that by hiding and pretending you are something else. You show them that you are x and y and still a good normal person. It can get you killed, it can lose your jobs, it can lose you friends, it can lose you your family. It is an incredible sacrifice that millions of people in the USA make every year. They do it for themselves, but also for all the other people that are x or y and who they want to see raised without all that bullshit.



Feel free to run to the front of the battle and take the arrows for the rest of us. Chiding others for not sacrificing themselves to boost corporate profits is a shitty thing to do.

I also don't believe you've thought through all the failure modes and misaligned incentives that happen over time.

Not wanting to live in a "1984" dystopia is not extreme by any means.


I am not chiding in any way, I apologize as my point must have not been well written if that is how it landed. Sorry :(

We are not in 1984, and that is fiction. I fully acknowledge I have not fully thought through every branch of the problem, but what I don't want to see is this idea that all data is at the hands of the person who played a role in creating it. Some data needs to go back to the company and society if it serves a solid purpose in helping improve either.


Ok, but it's not your place to decide the rights of others nor their responsibility to make your car safer paid for with their privacy. If you want to be safer put on a seatbelt and helmet and drive more slowly, rather than expressing entitlement to others whereabouts, choices, and associations.

History is largely a story of those without power breaking free from those who do and take advantage. Also, an inability to learn from fiction is a disadvantage.


Sure it is my place, I am a member of this society and we live in a Democracy. I get my views, you get yours, lets talk about it and think about it and slowly over 50 years some stuff will get hammered out :)

And, as I said, I am not convinced that all data you interact with is yours. I think data is data and it has attributes that should go other places whether you want it too or not.

History and fiction are great tools to explore ideas. So maybe just try exploring the idea that knowledge and advancement of society depends on a certain amount of data to float free. If we clamp down too hard it might paralyze advancement.


It's your opinion, not place I'd say. Minority rights cannot be ethically eliminated by a majority vote.

To be honest, while I care about privacy in general, am not concerned about every little datum myself. In a healthy reality companies and governments would give us lots of options and control, let us opt-in. But that never happens does it? They'd prefer you'd not even be aware it's happening. Only when shamed in the media does a company even attempt to provide the appearance of options.

Why do you think that is? Because they sell your information, that's why.

If it weren't that fact I wouldn't be so hardline on the subject. But, it's the reality we live in.


Not sure I follow, as I do have a say in this as do you and every other person in this country :). To argue someone doesn't have to say is a tad weird.


Maybe you misread it? Otherwise is a straw-man.


Ok, think I understand now.

Wasn't trying to take away your rights, but rather the opposite. There's an old saying, "your rights end at the tip of my nose."


No. It doesn't. I don't understand where your presumption of 'need' comes from.

There is no physical dicta that mandates that just because something should happen, means that it must.

Pervasive data collection is not a need. It's a want, by every business out there because of the B2B revenue generating possibility.




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