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Even if the NSA backdoors phones, you have to consider which government you trust more. The US government isn't great but China's is far worse.


I'm European with a huawei phone and I don't trust either side a lot, but it's the US gov. who spied on my country's officials from their own embassy a few years ago and it always seems to be the American gov. that somehow ends up bullying someone around.

I don't pretend that the Chinese have any better intentions but they're long term greedy enough to not accidentally brick my phone because Google can't ship updates to it any more.

If I actually lose functionality on my phone because the US government pressures Google into doing things that affects European consumers I'll be pretty pissed.


I'm far more likely to be a 5eyes whistleblower or activist than Chinese whistleblower.

Assume most people commenting here are in the same boat.

Pretty clear cut.


Yeah, exactly. I've never been to China but I work in and visit the US frequently. I'd take China any day.




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