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Can we please stop calling these juices with additives "milk". Milk is produced by mammals. Whatever you add to oak juice doesn't make it "milk".


Usage defines language, not the other way around.


exactly, and "milk" is a good descriptor for consumers: a pale liquid with some viscosity and a mild taste that can be used in the same ways cows milk is used. Usually the only people who complain about calling it "milk" are people who sell dairy products (not saying OP is one of them).


Uh, no. The defining characteristic of mammals is the ability to produce milk. The word itself is derived from the latin word breast. There is a definition for the word milk as a verb in the mechanical sense as in to extract a substance from an object mechanically but the product from that extraction is not, in any sense, milk, as in the noun. The only other known animals to provide milk are a specific species of jumping spiders. But, as this is specifically a single species, or perhaps even a small genus of interrelated jumping spiders, it is not a defining characteristic of its entire class from an evolutionary stand point.

Milk is an important substance and the definition of which should be more regulated to prevent distortion or misinterpretation of its function by marketing. The only manufactured food substance that approximates milk is baby formula. It is time to stop calling all of these mechanical extractions that are marketed as substitutions something other than milk. This is important because there is a lot of misinformation and general quackery that is related to these mechanical extractions that endanger the lives of infants such as the parents that killed their 7 month old infant by substituting quinoa milk with actual milk or formula because it was "natural."


Looks like the dairy industry is here on HN.


...also, non-dairy milk products have a _very_ long history.


Yep. Just checked some corpus data and taking soy milk as an example, "soy milk" is used 76.5% of the time by real people not subject to legal shenanigans imposed by the dairy industry, compared to "soymilk" only 23.5% of the time, in the slice of data I looked at. Not the best data (skewed to a certain US locale home to high tech, cable cars, and some large bridges) but pretty overwhelming. And these are people who are being influenced by commercial labels forced by lawsuits to use "soymilk", yet they still separate the words. Usage ftw.


The usage of it dates back to medieval times when almond milk was a bit of an indulgence in that it was allowed during lent by nobility.

The livestock have left the barn there so long ago they have completely dedomesticated.


And? Old means correct? They probably used "milk" to confuse people and make them buy it, whereas its nutritional value is way below "actual" milk.


The point is that the meaning is well established. Milk has long meant "edible white liquid" - see coconut milk, as well and milk of magnesia and poppy milk. The later two are essentially drugs but still fit with that definition! Unless it is believed that the non-animal milk producers are time travelers claiming it is some new deception to be corrected for when everyone has known that for centuries. They aren't changing the meaning - advocates for restricting it are.


In french, the word milk (lait) has been used in the expression almond milk since at least the XIIIrd century.

source: http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/lait


And? I'm calling to stop using that word :) It is confusing and these beverages are nothing like milk except in the looks.


IIRC they can't be sold as "milk" inside the EU, they're usually called some variation of "beverage" or "drink". The only product that can be labelled as "milk" has to be produced, as you said, by mammals.


We can't get coconut milk in the EU since it can't be called milk. So sad.


Exactly, and I think "milk" is a confusing term that doesn't even describe what all these beverages are, which usually are way less nutritious than "real" milk.


Milk as a general term for a white liquid made from nuts and grains goes back hundreds of years. Nobody is calling it "milk", they are calling it "oat milk". Calling it "juice" as you have is far more wrong.


Additives? Just oats and water to make oat milk and some sugar if you want it sweet.


I wonder if the cow breast milk industry will also embrace correctness.


If we're going for correctness, we should call it the bovine mammary lactation industry. Though there is something horribly unappealing about that.


Kinda like tomato and vinegar syrup?


Except it is not always bovine.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/milk?src=search-d...

"Milk: ... 2 : a liquid resembling milk in appearance: such as a : the latex of a plant b : the contents of an unripe kernel of grain"


Oak juice lol. Juice comes from fruits and oak is not a fruit (and nor are oats) so you might want to check your hipocrisy there calling it juice.


To further muddy the milk/not milk waters. Oatly[1] appears to be grain, soaked in water, with enzymes added to break down starches into simple sugars.

Any brewer should know this is a wort, basically unfermented beer (without hops).

So there you go, you should really be asking for wort in your coffee.

[1] https://www.oatly.com/int/our-process


Should the milkweed plant also be renamed to ”juiceweed?” What happens when someone synthesizes petri-dish dairy milk?


An opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.

I'm thinking does this definition apply to also the liquid from cows that is produced for humans since we're not their "young"




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