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> If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private data.

"You see, your honor, it's not a picture of them, it's a picture of their reflection in the mirror."

I feel like this discussion is a question of what the exact structure of the hydrogen-filled blimp should look like, and not a discussion of the fact that THE BLIMP IS FILLED WITH HYDROGEN.

Like we got so deep into the lawyered-definition of words, that we skipped right over the clearly wrong/awful intent.


> Like we got so deep into the lawyered-definition of words,

Perhaps try reading "your private data" again - slowly.


What do you think my comment was responding to? Literally those are the words that I was responding to.

Saying that the provenance of a naked image of myself is relevant to the fact that it's a naked image of _me_ and I don't have ownership over my own image is exactly the kind of lawyer-brained wording I was referring to when I made the comment about the mirror. "It's not a picture of you, it's a picture of a reflection of you."


> What do you think my comment was responding to?

Your misunderstanding of "private data". This is not lawyered words.

> Saying that the provenance of a naked image of myself

It is not a naked image of yourself.

An image of someone else's naked body does not become a reflection of an image of you just because your face is pasted on it. Object if you wish, but when it comes to privacy, the only possible breach is of the privacy of the body, not the face.

> is relevant to the fact that it's a naked image of _me_ and I don't have ownership over my own image

It is not your image.


You do, in fact, have rights over your 'likeness'. In most jurisdictions. [0]

In the US, that would fall under Prosser's Four Torts, "appropriation of name and likeness".

The law, currently, doesn't care if you think its a new image. Likeness is protected. Similarity is enough.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights


Please don't tell me you think you have rights over the image of another's naked body because it looks similar to yours.

Please don't tell me you think my own face is not my own likeness

I won't. I will tell you that any rights over commercial exploitation of a likeness is totally separate from this privacy issue.

Whilst the US has a carveout saying it has to be commercial, Australia, Quebec, and others, do not.

> It is not a naked image of yourself.

If I show you a picture of yourself that is a perfect likeness of yourself, And do not tell you how it was collected/created.

Is that an image of you?

It looks exactly like you, and you have found yourself in a similar or same situation at some point (what do you know your memory is human).

You're saying you can't say one way or another whether or not that is a picture of you without knowing where it came from, but I'm saying it doesn't matter where it came from, it is your exact likeness, it is a picture of you.


A pic of someone else who looks like you is not a pic of you and does not breach your privacy.

yeah, I mean, if you don't engage with the comment, then you're not going to understand. So maybe you should take your own advice and actually read what I wrote.

I've been having this thought for the last month.

The giveaway was my Medical Professional father thinking that AI was really good at things outside of his area of expertise, and really bad at things inside of his area of expertise.


Which is weird, because AI being bad at things in my expertise (programming) makes me distrust it 10x harder for things outside my expertise. At this point, unless an LLM can give me a reference that I can follow back to a trustworthy primary source (and unless that source says what the LLM synthesized from it), I automatically discard anything it says. It's simply wrong too frequently for me to do otherwise.


Which area of programming is it bad at? AFAIK it’s bad at embedded programming, but boring web/crud stuff it is very good at.


I'm exactly the same, but unfortunately I think we're in the minority.

People are absolutely dying to outsource their thinking.


Sadly a lot of times the sources are just LLM generated themselves...


You might be doing the same thing, if you think that your medical professional father would have any understanding of how an LLM works, an area in which he has no expertise.

To him, and most other people who don't know anything about the tech and how it works, it's probably just a magic intelligent box that can answer many things that he can't.

The marketing says it's this close to AGI and taking all our jobs, so that must be true!



google graduate


also assuming there's signal in that noise...


I think it's reasonable for governments to signal a decision like this that parents can ultimately choose to bypass. So it's both to explain the harms and posture to reduce those harms to children, and to leave the final decision to parents.


No, this will force the first person to be creative. Not even necessarily kids.


Curious how someone with a 401k, who didn't want their retirement to be used by these companies to buy at an inflated price, would go about opting out of this.

Typically I just have my 401k in an index fund so that things have to become established before they're added. This seems like it's circumventing that, and I would be inclined to vote with my wallet. But everything around 401k index funds that I see are very opaque, so it's not totally clear to me how I would avoid this if I wanted to.


You can pick funds that have little exposure to tech, which probably isn't what you're asking, but is a safer bet than being too much in tech:

  - S&P 500 Ex-Technology ETF (Ticker: SPXT)
  - S&P 500 Equal Weight ETF (Ticker: RSP)
  - Vanguard Value Index (Ticker: VTV)
  - Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (Ticker: VTI)
  - Vanguard High Dividend Yield ETF (Ticker: VYM)
  - Schwab US Dividend Equity (Ticker: SCHD)
  - Invesco S&P SmallCap 600 Revenue ETF (Ticker: RWJ)
Target Date Retirement Funds are also a safe(ish) bet, as they are broadly diversified and continuously rebalanced toward retirement


Technically I think this would be fairly straightforward. You could keep the index fund and then short the stock you believe is overvalued, to the degree it's weighted in the index fund. That would give you stock market exposure equivalent to the index without the company you don't believe in.

But I would strongly advise you to NOT DO THIS.

The above position makes it explicit that your thesis involves shorting a stock that could go through the roof in value. That emphasizes what a risk you're taking with your thesis. If your typical investment approach is to just buy index funds, then carry on just buying index funds and let the market do its work.

By the way, if SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI etc were to be excluded from the indices, then professional investors would just start a trade the inverse of the one I outlined above - i.e. they'd start shorting your index fund to the extent it was underweight in those companies, in order to profit off the exclusion of those tickers from it.

If you're in this for the long term (which I assume you are given this is your 401k), don't try to second-guess the market short-term.


You're paying a lot of premium if you buy a stock and then also short it to reduce your exposure.


If your 401k offers it you could look into an "equity income" fund. Not for the dividend income per se, but because these a are big stable companies with a track record of paying dividends.

Also, consumer staples are known for holding their ground during downturns.

But the general advice given is to accept that you probably can't beat the market so don't overthink it and just own the whole thing.

Also keep an eye on expense ratios. A lot of 401k providers gouge you on anything but the basic funds. So you'd have to beat the market by that much more.


You have to lookup what your index fund is. They all have always had different inclusion rules and they may or might not have changed theirs recent to try to include SpaceX.


I think I'm looking at general "retirement funds" which are a little more opaque. e.g. Vanguard/TD retirement funds, when I looked into them, didn't have any information on "what is in them." Just general breakdowns.


Yeah it's not fun.

Vanguard offers a bunch of ETFs so I can't exactly give you a solid answer.

One of their specific etfs (VTI) tracks the CRSP US Total Market index [1] which has its methodology described here [2] and looking at the "CRSP INVESTABILITY SCREEN SUMMARY" it sounds to me like SpaceX would be added to VTI after 5 days ("Seasoning of New Securities - 5 days or greater if satisfying the fast-track IPO rules".

[1]: "The Fund employs an indexing investment approach designed to track the performance of the CRSP US Total Market Index (the “Target Index”), which represents 100% of the investable U.S. stock market," https://personal1.vanguard.com/pub/Pdf/sp970.pdf

[2]: https://www.crsp.org/wp-content/uploads/guides/CRSP_Market_I...


If you have BrokerageLink, you can park your 401k in anything you want


you would have to look for an SMA or a special index fund that explicitly excludes these items


Who invests in an index fund for "moonshots"?

Everyone I know who invests in an index fund is doing so to mitigate the risks of things like "moonshots" which are typically much riskier investments.


> Who invests in an index fund for "moonshots"?

> Everyone I know who invests in an index fund is doing so to mitigate the risks of things like "moonshots" which are typically much riskier investments.

The whole point of an index fund is to capture the growth of the whole market. If you wanted low risk you'd be buying bonds.


Is it? I thought the idea was diversity of risk, not "mitigating risk". You clearly don't want 100% of your 401k in OpenAI or Anthropic. But you probably do want 1 or 2% of it in, to give you the long term growth potential?

Regardless SPY is actually a pretty "risky" index fund on some measures - it pays a (very) low dividend compared to many other intl/ETF funds and is weighted very heavily towards tech stocks (atm).

If you genuinely wanted to mitigate risk you would probably not choose SPY.


> Is it?

Given that they've had to change the rules of index funds to allow for this, yes, this is not what people expect.


But the US has never had $1T+ IPOs before. And also a huge amount of enormous private companies that don't want to go public for various reasons.

Also, the rules have changed before. It's not the first time these rules have changed.

I see both sides of the argument (it's definitely _not_ good for 401k investors if Anthropic/OpenAI/SpaceX make huge leaps in technology that allow for far higher earnings that they aren't able to access, for example).

But my main point is that these investors regardless would "only" have 5% exposure to these. That surely cannot be considered a systemic risk that the OP is inferring.


That's justifying this because we've had rampant runaway inflation...

There's nothing special about the number $1T.


This feels like the kind of thing where, "you must be at least this human to pass" and that it just otherwise mostly wastes your time if you're a robot would cover most of what Captchas are useful for.

Like, if it takes you 3-5 seconds to get through a captcha as a human, as long as every single event has that effort added, the impact to something trying to use/reuse the end-page is way worse if you're a robot than if you're a human.

I can see a few usecases where it would still be valuable to continue the game of cat-and-mouse, but I feel like solving for consistency of human experience of your website, may actually be more punishing to anything trying to bypass it.


Isn't this solveable by Anubis or similar? if you just want to add some costs to bots you can do that directly and it'll be pretty invisible to humans


Huh, for someone whose "about" page says: “Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.”

You seem to be pushing an ideological agenda around wikipedia by posting opinion pieces about "how biased" wikipedia is.

I think the thing you have to understand is, there is no "unbiased" so treating wikipedia as "biased" in a vacuum misrepresents the fact-checking processes that go into validating articles written on wikipedia. Wikipedia does more to unbias the topics than like, 99% of the news media, and probably 100% of the substack/op-eds you appear to be consuming about wikipedia...

For example, this op-ed doesn't site a single counter-factual primary source.


Seems like a pretty political take on a wikipedia article, and none of it seems to take issue with the facts presented in the wikipedia article either. Just general mistrust of wikipedia construed as "whitewashing" which isn't even a correct use of that term in this day and age.


It's a shame that some consider "we shouldn't celebrate the biggest mass murderer in the modern age" to be "a pretty political take"


Uh, it leaves out a lot about Mao, very little of it good. When it comes to stories of terrible behavior, Mao is the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, who declares war on a type of bird? Who needs his widow to take some of the blame for his cultural revolution after his death? He is history's most prolific murderer after all.

So an article with 70% good facts???

His only saving grace is that he killed his own people so the rest of the countries didn't attack him, despite his best efforts to the contrary.


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