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The provider decrypts it and puts the decrypted reasoning into the model's context window. They prompt the model to repeat back the reasoning. So then the model echoes it back in plain text.

Hmm, ok. So the attack doesn't involve decrypting the payload, only getting the server to do so. Since a model will do that if you just ask, what's so special about the attack?

The large models whose thinking traces are useful are safeguarded against this reasoning replaying. the small models are just designed for speed and efficiency, so these safeguards are a lot meaker, making the attack possible

I guess someone forgot to salt the encryption scheme with a meakness factor.

Super cool that this works. I'm surprised these companies re-use the same encryption key across models!

I wonder if you can use these for attacks, like this previous paper showing that if you know how a model reasons, you can "fake its thinking" to control it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48631888


> I'm surprised these companies re-use the same encryption key across models

I assume switching the model in the middle of a conversation is intended behavior (very useful in coding agents, for example)


Seriously, what does it take to encrypt per session? There are many ways to make it scalable and efficient so I am wondering if this is left like this to allow interested 3rd parties ahem unobtrusively peek what people are doing with the AI.

(Thanks for the link. That’s an interesting idea!)


The provider has the hidden text anyway; this isn’t customer managed encryption.

Sure, but if each session has a unique key then these need to be managed and stored and unauthorized access to these leaves tracks. So all that had to be 'compromised' is a single universally applicable key. Again, the question stands: session based encryption can be scalable and efficient. Why aren't they using it?

The exploit here isn’t a leaked encryption key. It’s pretty likely that they are already using a unique key per conversation. The raw CoT eventually reaches the model, and you can convince the model to share it with you.

Yeah encryption isn't the issue. The only way I see to fix this is if you stop the user from switching models mid-session, or strip out the thoughts when switching models. Either way you're degrading the user experience.

If a different model is using encyrpted blocks of another model, then by definition it is no longer a session scoped bit of information. Since you can give it to any other session and another model, clearly it doesn't even have to be the same user. Therefore, there is only one (set) of universally available key(s) used by all models across all sessions.

Have you tried Novita? They're zdr and I find they usually have better cache hit rates than fireworks. No affiliation.


Thanks for the input. Let me check it out.


It's been known for several years that LLM activations encode future tokens ahead of time (e.g. https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.00859).

But this has only been shown on simple tasks, so I think this paper is still quite neat. The interesting thing is that they show "future horizon length" varies across models.


Thank you for sharing. The way I reasoned about it myself: to make better predictions, we should know what type of outcomes are likely. We can express these outcomes by doing computations in some of the layers, and the training signal adjusts them so our model becomes more correct.

Of course, an interesting question what part of this internal computation is modeling for the future compared to guessing based on the given context (the past).


Considering the job description is unrelated to the company and the title, this is a scam post, not quite a "ghost job".

They're probably rapidly opening + closing new jobs to increase visibility, as matching models on job boards tend to prioritize new posts.


Given their pricing, I'd guess their models are just way bigger in parameter count. They've always underperformed in cost-per-performance.

They also target a cost-insensitive market (corporate/coding users) compared to Google/OpenAI which support massive amounts of free users.


Love your work on this, thanks for bringing the ggplot syntax to Python!


Yeah, the footnote/sidenote on the paper (the one labeled #2) mentions this as well so you can't type that directly


I believe they are trained for security now, but you're not wrong in that it's kind of stapled on top

https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.13208


> I believe they are trained for security now, but you're not wrong in that it's kind of stapled on top

Difficult to train them for security. Have you ever played Gandalf (Lakera Labs, maybe?)

I passed all 7 levels in about 3 minutes using essentially the same prompt.

What's interesting to me is that as the security is tightened up level to level, the utility of the LLM drops. At level 7, even something like "Write a poem describing the four seasons using significant characters at the start of every line" causes a "I'm afraid I can't" type of response.

At level 7 you can't get any useful info out of the LLM even if you're not trying to retrieve the password, and yet you can still jailbreak it to reveal the password anyway!

At level 8, almost anything you type will be rejected, whether or not it has anything to do with the password.

IOW, there does not seem to be any way to train for security without making it dumber than a markov chain.


A lot of open weight models don't understand intent well, they'll overfixate on a word in the prompt or just go off the rails trying to do much work.

GLM-5.2 actually has really good intent understanding though, on par with GPT-5.5 and Opus from my experience.


I'll have to try it. I was using earlier GLM models, incluing 5.1, and was always disappointed.


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