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He just means the development pace has picked up with AI.

I've been doing this for 15 years, I love coding manually.

However, with AI-assistance I can do projects in 3 days what would take 6 months.

It's not vibe coding, everything is controlled, reviewed, understood, refined by me in the end.

But still the dev time is magnitudes faster. I would not hire anyone that is adverse to AI.

I'm actually happier. With age and a family I was getting a bit slower.

Now I have more time to spend with them AND I'm getting more done. Including personal projects I never had the bandwidth for.


> I can do projects in 3 days what would take 6 months.

The hyperbole on this keeps growing every time I see it. Soon we’ll be having people claiming they can do in 12 seconds what used to take them 17 years. What is never presented is proof. People (and programmers are no exception) are notoriously bad at estimating. We already did studies where people thought they were being faster with LLMs when they were in fact being slower.

As companies begin to rehire to fix the mess made by LLMs, it’s clear that just getting something out the door isn’t enough. It never was. Maintenance is an important part of any long-standing system.


It's not a hyperbole. I know how long it takes me to do something.

And the last project truly would have taken me 6 months.

It was done in 3 days after fable 1:1 the design, setup the infrastructure, and turned all tasks and specs into code.

Everything was done day 1, but it took 2 days to manually clean it, test, and correct small issues.

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But that does make sense you're seeing "hyperboles" grow, AI is getting better very quickly, so you'll see the time saved estimations grow.

Less than a year ago I'd say it was saving me about a month of work, mainly because it sucked at UI.


That one does sound like hyperbole, or maybe he just works slowly as a human? People are different.

Likewise, I think they're having wildly different results. Look at how differently humans drive vehicles, and realize they're doing the same with compute. Some people probably are working at light speed, and some people are actually slower like in the study.


> Look at how differently humans drive vehicles, and realize they're doing the same with compute.

I’m not sure that comparison is evoking the image you intended. Hands down the best driver I know—the one I’m sure won’t get me car sick, won’t ever have me worrying for my safety, the most fuel efficient, the smoothest rider—is by no means the fastest but the most thoughtful and methodical.

I don’t care how fast you develop your software. Is it good? Is it carefully considered? Will it not bite me in the ass? Those are the things that matter.


Sure, I agree. And I get that result--slow and steady--out of the LLM when I use it.


I'm talking about the scale. This was a large app with 60+ screens, 400+ component ui kit, and very rich features.

And had to work on ios/android/web.

I'd consider myself a pretty fast programmer, and I grind 12 hours at a time, everyday until it's done.

But between all humans it's a rounding error compared to the output of an agent swarm.

For personal projects, I pick and choose how much to use AI. But for work, agents go brrrr.


that's what I voted for and I'm happy about it. same for every single person in my circle.

you may not understand the other side because of biases but if you just say "oh 50% must be crazy / be stupid" then noone can have an honest debate. but I guess gone are those days.


Which part attracts you the most? The corruption, the self-dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and the rule of law, or the racism?


prime example of why there can't be discourse happening right here ^


If you're willing to overlook the corruption, the self dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and rule of law, and the racism, then I agree. There is no useful discourse to be had with you.


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> I'd rather someone be rich before office not have their son work on a Ukrainian oil company while their father is VP that handles relations with said country.

You must be incensed over Jared Kushner's diplomatic roles and $2B investments from the Saudis, then?


He formed an investment group after leaving government. Hunter worked for an oil company (no experience) WHILE his father was overseeing the country relations. And the company he worked for was under investigation for corruption. Joe bragged about getting that prosecutor fired.

Meanwhile Jared got the Abraham Accords and is working on other peace deals.

Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?


I appreciate your answering your own question; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787.

> Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?

For sure. Kushner/Trump's corruption is far more lucrative.


I'm glad you can at least admit that the Biden's were corrupt.


And Trump's corruption is orders of magnitude worse.

Hunter Biden is not in office, is not running for office. I wouldn't support a campaign from him because "whose crotches were involved in your creation" is not a qualifying factor for much of anything besides assigning a last name.

Trump is in office, and is actively, brazenly corrupt. And you're OK with it for...reasons?


He wasn't, but his dad was at the time. That's the point.

My criticism is not of Hunter, but of Joe Biden. The last D president. The most popular D (by votes) in history.

It's worse for people to entirely to benefit purely based on if their dad is in charge. That's nepotism.

However Kushner is in office, he does work on peace deals in the middle east. He has an official title and does work with many countries and many people. It makes sense for him to make connections over there.

It's not unreal to believe he met people in SA and they all wanted to make a business deal on their own. That's individuals making their own decisions at noone's expense. No demands (like firing a prosecutor). Not quid pro quo.

It's unreal to believe Hunter had any knowledge about Ukrainian oil and being paid in diamonds was legit, plus his business partner outed him. And all while his dad was handling relations with that country, and while he bragged about getting the prosecutor fired that was investigating the company. That's quid pro quo. That's nepotism. That's corruption.


> However Kushner is in office, he does work on peace deals in the middle east. He has an official title and does work with many countries and many people.

Actually, that's part of the problem. Jared Kushner did have a formal government job during Trump's first admin. He does not have one in the 2nd term. He's not even a "special government employee" like they made Musk.

He's a "volunteer" who is then given substantial foreign policy influence in a region where he is also a substantial financial player. And it all happens with him having no formal duty to the United States, no particular rules of the road for what's allowed and what's not, because he's (quite intentionally, IMO) existing in a gray area.

Some questions for you to ponder on -

What purpose does Trump Crypto serve?

Why was CZ pardoned?


Answer the question.


Ah, the irony.


how is it irony? the guy asked loaded "questions" basically saying everything is racist and evil. not really good faith is it?

nothing about policy or any specific thing you could have a civil conversation about.

they didn't even say what perceived racist, corrupt, etc. delusional take they're talking about.

unless I'm on a liberal newsletter how would I know the conspiracies they're talking about?

to answer in one word GP's main question "Which part attracts you the most?"

Sanity.


Thankyou for responding with your view, and I'm sorry that you got downvoted for it. I don't agree that "[people] should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce" because I feel that a degree of safety from bad actors is part of the social contract in a healthy society, and that the strong and capable have a duty to protect and support those less able. I understand, however, that not everyone feels that way and that I'm not entitled to tell them what to think. That's why we vote on stuff, and it mostly works.

I still think that a large percentage of MAGA red hat voters (who don't necessarily represent all GOP voters) have bought into the populist rhetoric rather than actively understanding and supporting the actual policy but I'm sure there are plenty of people like you out there who are actively choosing this.


fancy way of saying "communism has never been done properly before."

yeah well that's because the execution matters and turns out when you give people power to choose who gets what, they abuse it. go figure.


Maybe it’s never been done properly cause human nature will never allow it to be, e.g. it’s an ideology that’s incompatible with humanity.

But surely there’s a more sane option than under regulated capitalism with a problematic wealth distribution and fucked up incentives that encourage short term profit at the expense of society, environment and all else?


then it's a terrible system to govern humans under.

your system should work with human nature or it will never work.

capitalism exploits greed to generate prosperity. socialism falls under greed.

and no there's not a better solution, or at least it hasn't been found yet. if it was it'd still be a form of capitalism, not the other side of the spectrum.

but we disagree on the effects of the current system. capitalism has not been at the expense of society, the opposite in fact. we've had so much prosperity due to it.

same with the environment really. communist countries don't really have better air quality, worse in fact! US has the money from capitalism to develop clean tech.


I agree with both of y'all: Humans are inherently tribal, greedy, and selfish, and seek to better themselves and their kin at the expense of others.

Communism seeks to mitigate or avoid this human instinct, often failing.

Capitalism throws its hands in the air and says "ok, be greedy and selfish, ignore others and society, and if we're lucky, and it sometimes provides any societal benefit, that's purely incidental and secondary to you making money".


> then it's a terrible system to govern humans under.

Agreed!

> capitalism exploits greed to generate prosperity.

Sadly without representation, that prosperity accumulates around the few that then don’t necessarily disperse it back into the economy but hoard it and lobby against taxes and workers’ rights etc.

From where I stand, both systems suck, just that regulated capitalism is more workable in the more socialist leaning nations from a human welfare perspective, like many of the ones in the EU. Ofc an economic powerhouse that does not make, not necessarily.

And then there’s corruption and various bureaucratic inefficiencies, which you’ll get to some degree in any system.


Communism has never been done properly, because it cannot be done properly.

Communism is an erroneous idea. It starts from a correct premise, that humans who have accumulated much wealth are able to use it abusively for accumulating more and more wealth at the expense of the others, and this positive feedback cannot be stopped without some kind of regulation.

However, the solution proposed by communism is an illusion that cannot work with real humans. The communist solution is to confiscate everything valuable from all citizens and put it under the management of the state bureaucrats, who supposedly will administrate it efficiently and in such a manner as to produce maximum benefits for all citizens.

The reality is that of course the communist bureaucrats are composed of the same people who succeed to become politicians or managers everywhere, i.e. those for whom the priority is to satisfy their own interests and greed, and not the interests of the entire society.

Therefore in all socialist/communist countries, those who were supposed to manage resources in the name of the "entire society" behaved exactly like the owners of those resources, so they lived like US millionaires or even billionaires, while most of the population lived in poverty, because all what their parents or grand-parents had in the past had been confiscated and now they were at the mercy of their managers, who decided unilaterally what they should be allowed to work and what they should receive to be able to live.

The only solution that could work would be the exact opposite of communism. Instead of centralizing everything, the production of at least all the things strictly necessary for living should be as distributed as possible, done by numerous small local companies, not by a few huge global monopolies.

Instead of having 3 producers of memory chips for the entire Earth, there should be at least 3 or 4 in every country. Similarly for any other industrial product.

Unfortunately that is extremely unlikely to happen because during the last decades everything has evolved in the opposite direction.

To continue with the same example, when I was young a large fraction of the European countries were still able to make integrated circuits and computer memories, even many of the East-European countries. But then one-by-one most electronics or computing companies have been bought or closed, until none survived. An important role in the disappearance of the electronics industries in most countries had been that of USA, who used various means of pressure and blackmailing to prevent other countries to enact protectionist measures favoring their internal producers against US companies, i.e. exactly what now USA itself uses against China.


so if it's socialism/communism destroying the environment it's a mistake. but if it's capitalism it's by design?

nothing other than the prosperity that capitalism generates is inherently bad for the environment. yeah if you pull people out of poverty their carbon footprint will probably increase. but the alternative is them living in poverty and starving under a communist system (like always)

the amount of goods and services capitalism has generated has saved so many lives. we have huge amounts of excess food we send across the world.


On the flipside, this makes me MORE confident in Cursor.

But I already use Cursor w/ Starlink in the Cybertruck, so easy choice.

I also don't fall for propaganda so makes it easy to make practical, not emotional, decisions.

He's not evil, just a man with a vision, hopefully you realize that one day.


I don't care for his vision. I'm basing that on his words and actions, not based on anybody else's propaganda.


That's your misguided opinion masquerading as fact.

In no way is he a nazi or any of the other ad-hominem attacks y'all throw here.

You'll probably point to one instance of an awkward gesture, like Elon isn't awkward. Clearly hearing him talk, he's not a nazi or racist.


That wasn't really an ad hominem attack.

If you're going to use the model to learn history you're going to learn the version of history that the model teaches you. A little bit of digging around grokpedia should give you some idea of what that model thinks


Was in reference to GP's "neo-Nazi" comment and similarly expressed HN users here.

But you may be seeing your bias if you think grokipedia is wrong.

Probably being used to leftist editors on wikipedia would do that.

Or maybe it's somewhere in the middle for some events. You can always validate sources and determine for yourself.



Nothing wrong with that. All the information without choosing a side.

Even though we all know what happened. Only other notable thing was the end of most bellwether indicators.


Until they turn 17, then they get to be id-verified surveilled like the rest of us!

Much safe system. Very cozy. Glad kids are safe now. That was close!


So what's your solution?

There's substantial evidence for harms on young people that go beyond surveillance, but I guess we now live in a society that embraces throw them to the wolves and see which ones survive?


The only proper solution always used for children. Parent's discretion.

Other people's kids are not my nor the governments business.

I will restrict social media as I see fit for my children. Don't need a nanny state.

No need for "think of the children". You shouldn't be thinking of my children, they are fine. Worry about yourself and your own kids.


> The only proper solution always used for children. Parent's discretion.

Cigarettes. Alcohol. Gambling. Weapons. Credit cards and financial products. Solvents/aerosols. Fireworks.

There are tons of products and services that are subject to regulation for children because society has concluded (wisely in most cases) that it is not always possible or effective to rely on parental discretion to prevent harm.

> You shouldn't be thinking of my children, they are fine.

Extreme individualism is in my opinion one of Western society's biggest sore spots right now but I'd like to point out one very practical issue with this approach as it relates to social media.

I can keep my kids off of social media, but social media can still harm them. Your kids can take photos and videos of my kids and post them online without anyone's consent, and use social media to bully my kids.

There is a growing body of evidence about the harms of social media on children's' mental health, particularly as it relates to bullying, and plenty of cases of suicides caused by it.

But I suppose there are other possible solutions. We could enact laws that levy more significant civil and perhaps even criminal penalties on parents whose children use social media to harass and bully. Right now, when parents are found liable for damage caused by their children, civil penalties are usually pretty modest.

If your children, who you say are fine, do something to make my children not fine, you should be willing to take full responsibility for that, right?


Just teach your children to not care what's on social media.

It's a mental attitude. We used to be stronger. Teach that.

People will be assholes, social media or not. Toughen up.

And yeah we ban sold products, not like that does anything though.

Kids will still drink, do drugs, and smoke if they want to. It's not like they won't have siblings of friends that are 18+.

It still comes down to parenting to prevent them from going down that slope.

People being weak and thin skinned is the sore spot in America, not individualism, that's a strength.


> Just teach your children to not care what's on social media.

> It's a mental attitude. We used to be stronger. Teach that.

> People being weak and thin skinned is the sore spot in America, not individualism, that's a strength.

I hope while you're molding your children into strong, thick-skinned individuals who are impervious to everything that happens around them, you remind them that respect, kindness and compassion are virtues too.


Of course, that is the other side of the coin.

Golden rule, put yourself in their shoes, all of that.

I hope you guys are raising your kids to be strong but caring individuals. You need both.


Riddle me this. If you have to verify yourself to prove you are over 16, did that just deanonymize you? Yes.


Good job I said this, then:

> The problem is it requires surveillance.


So it's not "obviously about kids" then.


This is like saying "people using cars to get places is really about oil".


if it was about kids they would have mandated parental controls.

not universal account verification.

people are stupid now though, so I guess they took their shot.


How can the system tell if someone's a parent or not.


The system can't. That's the beauty of it.

It's up for the parents to enable it for their kids.

Just mandate that certain parental features are AVAIALABLE to parents.

It's up to the parents to parent their kids. Not the government. But if you want to mandate something, mandate tools for the parents.


But how does the system know that someone's a parent who should be able to access the parental features?


It doesn't need to.

Parents know who they are. THEY force their kids to use a child account with their parental account linked.

The same way every other parental control system works, whether it's Youtube, Netflix, iOS, Xbox, etc.


Yeah where are the site banners? We had more for BLM than this.

Guess gone are the days of net neutrality and privacy protests by devs.


that's still a database.

it's not a relational database.


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