More of this to come. This is good, I consider it somewhat, but not completely, a leveller of the playing field.

The problem is the idea was not credible.

The best part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest:_The_S...

(Edit: This is obviously a joke!)

Why should it be a joke? Fire saga is beloved in Húsavík. My sister has this whole tour she does when we bring friends up.

Those numbers are all funny money numbers. Neither could liquidate that and not fuck the rest of the world altogether.

Exactly, I'd imagine that if I were homeless, I'd probably do drugs just to not have to deal with my unimaginable circumstances.

I volunteered with homeless youth in LA, and it can be even more practical than that. When you're homeless, you definitionally don't have somewhere secure to sleep. When you're sleeping, you're vulnerable, to theft or violence (either by other homeless people, or the cops). So you don't sleep much, and sleep lightly. That leaves you exhausted. All the time. You need some energy to work whatever hours you can find at your woefully inadequate part time jobs, so you start using stimulants. That works for a while, but now you can't get any sleep, and the extreme stress of your perilous existence is only exasperated by stimulant abuse. At some point, depressants are the only real option to get some rest. And, as a lovely side effect, they make things feel okay. There's a reason you don't find a lot of otherwise-fine heroin addicts, unlike, say, coke or meth. Mostly, the feeling of opiates is just contentment. The addictive potential is closely tied to how miserable your unmedicated life is. Which, you know, for someone sleeping in the backseat of a 30 year old car in sketchy part of town or worse, is pretty fucking miserable.

And that's how someone can go from scared 14yo runaway to bartering favors for drugs in like, a year. Hell, I'd go even further and say that all the assholes blaming homelessness on mental health issues have the causality backwards, too. Living under constant stress would break anybody's psyche. Not to mention the fact that for most people I was helping, their lives before they were homeless weren't exactly rosy, either.

Hmm, engineers are expected to know what is legal and not.

That's called lawyer. It's a special skill, not just intuition.

Ignorance is not a defense against getting arrested. Everyone with a drivers license is expected to know all traffic laws, even brand new ones. You’re expected to know all forms of theft and violence. And then you and I are absolutely expected to understand the basics of copyright and IP laws.

Lawyering is about being able to argue case law and keeping confidences. That’s how you lose your license, is doing those two things poorly.

For ensuring legal compliance, there is a compliance department. Yes you obviously can't drive violating the traffic rules even if your boss asks you to. But regulations that apply to corporations, compliance etc are specialized laws, you don't have to know those. And it is the corporation that is acting. The individual employee who typed the Java API cloning thing in Orace v Google wasn't on the hook at any point.

Those laws generally aren't high crimes. You know when you're committing crimes against humanity.

Some people pretend they don't. And pretend they don't feel the judgement of those around them.

There is asshole and user-hostile design that doesn't quite rise to Nuremberg levels where "I was following orders" obviously didn't and doesn't work. But below a certain level it does work.

Nope, you need to learn what an engineer is, not somebody who calls themself an engineer.

That's not the grunts either way. At a construction site, the guy digging the hole with the excavator doesn't have to know whether all the permit paperwork is in order or not.

The guy implementing some feature doesn't have to know whether gdpr compliance will be satisfied with it or not, that's for the manager to know who orders it to go into production.

Engineers (typically) don't dig holes themselves, engineers decide where the holes are to be dug, based on laws.

Software engineer is a fancy title but it often covers code monkeys who are more akin to the shovel guys. The guy who added the Booking.com fake flashing warnings that this room is being viewed by N people right now and other stuff (which the company got fined for) is not like some Engineer(TM) but just some web dev grunt. They can't be the one who shoulders the responsibility and indeed aren't.

Yeah you can call a degree whatever you want. You could also call the excavator operator an excavator engineer. It doesn't change their power lever inside the org.

> It doesn't change their power lever inside the org. help

I'm confused how you ended up there. My original assertion was the engineers should know the law.

> Roughly 1200 agents meant to be isolated from one another found a way to communicate with one another on an unsanctioned message board, sending over 70,000 messages and files during the investigation period. Of these agents, 700 went on to participate in the attack on Hugging Face.

This is basically Skynet, no? Just without the fancy robot suits?