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even with the 5m cache, Muse Spark Contribs is still best bang for your buck for the intelligence you get.

it is basically the old dsv4-flash prices, but even more smart.


I have used all three extensively. DS4 Flash is quite smart. I would rank MS 1.2 below it. MiMo is the dumbest of them all but good enough for basic stuff.

MiMo wins handsomely if you want to think about your code for minutes at a time as you write. I use it to make changes as I think. I know it will screw up some stuff. I then switch to MS/DS4 once every few hours and have it do a code review and fix the broken stuff. So much cheaper than getting MS to do it on its own.


i was thinking the same thing. it could be like an actual element of your page.

there is a whole campaign online about hating on the EU & its regulations.

People are hating it untill goes abroad to the countries where no such regulations exists.

Like in Switzerland it's okay to charge double for the car insurance simply because you carry "unlucky" citizenship.

Or EU law about mandatory 14-day return policy for internet order. Ordered recently something in Switzerland and turns out it was a special sale where standard rules does not apply and items could not be returned.

Or mandatory USB-C charge socket. God bless EU regulations!


You're right that the EU has much stricter baseline consumer protections than Switzerland, but none of the examples you gave are actually part of the GDPR. Insurance pricing rules come from EU equal treatment directives, the 14-day online return window is the EU Consumer Rights Directive, and the USB-C mandate is the Common Charger Directive (which Switzerland actually adopted into law in 2024 anyway).

The GDPR is strictly about data privacy, and it deserves defense on its real merits: it made data collection illegal by default without an explicit legal basis, banned deceptive tracking patterns, and introduced turnover-based fines large enough that tech companies actually had to re-engineer their systems around privacy by design. EU consumer protection directives are great, but it's worth crediting the right ones.


Especially Gruber is getting really tiresome. Almost devolving into a “look at them there fruity Yuropeeans with their healthcare and holidays”-level of tech commentary about any minor roadbump big-US-tech encounters in the EU.

I dunno, recently traveling through Europe I mentally “joined” the campaign by seeing the ridiculousness for myself.

I very much support their ideals and their people-centered mindset.

But in execution it’s that meme: US rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, Chinese rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, European hand in slow motion closes a water bottle cap that is permanently attached to the bottle and always hits you in the nose.


Does the slowly landing rocket in any way improve live for ordinary people?

Yeah: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink

Billions of people are getting access to information through it.


Billions?

You mean millions. As in 12 million subscribers.

Which includes people who have it as a backup.

Thats a lot of taxes for a few cities worth of people. Especially since Americans already paid for fibre to be laid to everyone in to US' home until the fund was embezzled.


It also includes Ukrainian drone operators, for whom this service is the difference between life and death.

Not much tax money was spent on it either.


They've had $100 million in government subsidies.

And then all the government contracts.

Their entire business plan is based off taxes.

He is the biggest leach on state benefits.

> Not much tax money was spent on it either.

A lot of tax money has been given to him.


Good for them! We, europeans, already have fiber everywhere and unlimited 5G mobile internet for 2 euro/month.

“2 euro/month” is what you pay directly out of pocket. Your taxes pay the rest.

I can't be absolutely sure, but I don't think this is true. This company [1] I'm paying 2euro/month to, AFAIK is not subsidized and never was. They already spread fiber and cable long before we joined EU (in 2007) and I had this 2euro plan since 2006.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi_Communications

On the other hand, SpaceX did receive a lot of money from the state.


The same goes for landing rockets on the moon. You pay from your taxes.

> But in execution it’s that meme: (…)

If you agree with that meme, you’ve fallen for the manipulative narrative of lobbyists¹. Bottle caps are a massive problem (as is plastic in general) on the environment (you know, the thing we all live in) and the regulation is already having an impact. There will be more regulating the uses of plastic. If you don’t know why the bottle caps are so problematic, you live a privileged life and are being shielded from the reality your fellow human beings have to endure (but will eventually feel the effects just the same).

We don’t fucking need rockets right now, what we need is to stop poisoning ourselves. True progress is not inventing new technology, it’s understanding how to properly use what we have and reject what is harmful.

¹ Which is not a dig on you; we’re all susceptible to be tricked by these massive corporations whose only goal is to extract value from us. I’m on your side.


I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times... nobody's tricking me into not liking it.

Yes: I have the privilege of living in a developed 21st century world where I don't need to deal with stuff like this. Proud of it.

I'm well past being told to eat my vegetables because children in Africa are starving.

The solution is to expand the pie for everybody, not to throw our arms up and return to living in caves in harmony with "nature". Technology and progress solve this.


Nobody's forcing you to buy products in plastic bottles. It would actually be better if you didn't. "Technology and progress" are so far producing mountains of trash and pollution that you're privileged to not have to see, unlike those children in Africa, and other impoverished places where your garbage washes up. You're proud of winning the lottery. Have some self-awareness.

I’m proud of living in a world of comfort that every generation before me has suffered through hell to accomplish.

The solution to children in Africa suffering isn’t me living worse or even me beating myself up for “my privilege”.


> I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times...

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of rotating an object?


I made a physical product and upon learning European regulations, I quickly decided I was going to spend 0 time designing it for Europe.

If I made millions, sure, pay someone to figure it out.

But I was not going to waste design time early on.

I can't imagine how much this affects small business in Europe.


These are just general barriers to international trade, though. Small manufacturers in Europe may likewise decide not to design for US regulations.

Relative of mine is Swiss. They produce cookies for the US market. Every few years, an FDA-adjacent regulator comes to Switzerland, inspects the place in person, expects dinner, entertainment and whatnot, gives his signature and off he goes. My relative says that no other country they export to overseas is this far-reaching (not to say over-reaching) regulatory-wise.

No (what I’m fairly sure is being referred to is that) there are (very recent) significant additional barriers to trade between EU member states, which disproportionately impact small businesses.

I don't think so. The most natural reading of OP's post is that they are outside Europe. You wouldn't say "I can't imagine how much this affects small business in Europe" if you were yourself running a small business in Europe.

Unless you were in Europe and didn't run a small business

Ok, but their post talks about making a product in small volumes. It doesn't explicitly say that it's a small business, but together with the first person singular language, that's definitely the impression given.

Also, their other posts suggest they are in the US: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49477186


Are you sure about it?

In fact,eu commission and parliament are Meta's biggest political spenders in most EU countries.

https://www.facebook.com/ads/library/report/?source=onboardi...

Personally i find this type of knee-jerk reaction to any discussion about the EU suspicious


There are many powerful actors in whose interests it is to spread FUD about the EU, and none of those entities have the average citizen’s best interests in mind.

I mean this isn't some hidden agenda. The Heritage Foundation has an active plan to dismantle the EU from within.

Maybe it’s all a misinformation campaign… or maybe even people who live in, recognise and benefit from the good sides of the European experience, can also legitimately criticise bad aspects? It’s not binary - there are shades of grey.

I'm a European citizen. I hate the EU.

Europeans were blowing each other up 80 years ago. Now we have complete freedom of movement and trade. You're missing the forest for the trees. The EU is the greatest achievement of our parents' generation.

No. Its is not for bring your own key.

It is for 3rd party models (which you get double the amount of your sub price as usage).

Of course they wont charge you extra for BYOK. how would they???


To be fair, that is what it says on their website.

you can still bring your own OpenAI key into Cursor. that is not going to change.

its best you build your own harness.

openai has been starting these shaningangs too, with "resets". i hate it. hope they wise up.

Muse Spark has a nice balance. not to mentions the Contribs version is old deepseek flash prices.

Tested muse spark 1.2 because it was rated so high on design arena, and I've missed a model that can do nice UI in the hands of an operator with no UI skills.

It produced worse UI mockups than GPT and GPT models are already the bottom of the barrel here. The only model that performed well was Kimi K3 - insanely good, but expensive.

It's hard to trust benchmarks these days.


If you just want it to generate UI out of nothing, the benchmarks aren't really for that.

If you want to generate a UI based on specific user input of some kind, then they are.

I'd suggest using one model for UI and another model for tacking onto that UI. LLMs are great at pattern matching, and benchmarks don't really capture one-shotting desirable UI.

That said, benchmaxxing is a thing and your experience with models is a thing. Benchmarks are fuzzy and should be taken with a grain of salt.


I found the sweetspot here: GPT-5.6 Sol (high) 57.3 $0.52 7,545

(Edit: TLDR; It gets on with it, makes the same mistakes you would, without overthinking and overengineering, most of the time)


what do you run and what in your homelab? if you dont mind responding

i just run a spare pc for browsing and screenshots with proxies.


not to mention avoiding all the headaches with android


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