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You should stop buying non-standard compilant hardware then.


Why would anybody work in offices? Enjoy covid, work from home.


You can simply eat less but better quality food.


Everyone knows this and yet obesity is still a problem globally, leading one to think other approaches might be worthwhile


Yes, the other approach is sport.


Your argument proves too much. Compare: "You can simply not smoke the cigarettes".


Thanks to god for covid i don't have to return to the office. It is a small price the humanity have to pay for that, so it is ok.


Ill happily find you a remote job pre covid to undo all this


I feel you.


You should buy a standard mouse, no driver needed. A mouse and its protocol is prety simple, but now we achieved the state where a USB connected mouse reports itself as 5 mouse and 3 keyboard and some other HID capable device, good luck using them on legacy or alternative operating systems. (Hint: won't work).

>Bbbbuut what about my programable buttons, led and whatever?

I don't care about that, i care only about that i should be able to buy standard mouse which is always harder and harder task because you buy every piece of s with rgb leds so they will stop to produce non-manchild computer hardware. I wouldn't care at all if the hw would still provide the basic functionality without any special driver, but nooo, thats too much.

Proposal: send the hw back to their HQ and demand your money back.


I'm not aware of a single modern mouse that doesn't use regular HID for actual basic mousing.

All these mice will work as basic HID mice in any operating system. If your legacy OS can't handle "5 mouse and 3 keyboard", its HID support was completely broken in the first place.


I like my mouse with programmable macro buttons. It doesn't have any fancy lights, just a small multi-purpose indicator that shows battery level, sensitivity level, and which set of macros I'm using.

I also like my $0 basic USB mouse that works with everything I plug it into. I think it came with a Dell PC but who knows as the logo has worn off. My fancy macro button mouse never leaves my desk but my cheap mouse has had plenty of travel. Same with my keyboard, I've got a nice one for my desk and a dirt cheap compact one that travels.


Dell sells (because i am pretty sure they don't manufacture them) really crappy input devices nowadays. I sent countless back directly to their Munich HQ.


You probably cannot add 1+1, that person meant the 90's style desktop means there is no unnecessary cruft in it, therefore it won't try to amaze the user with eyecandy, so operations will happen instantly. And less code means less chance for bugs.


> And less code means less chance for bugs.

The OpenBSD bug on Xenocara which allowed root needed more code, not less.

So this is the case with pledge(4) and unveil(4), you need (a little) more code in onder to sandbox setuff properly.

NT4 was much more complex than W98SE, yet NT4/w2k was much better on multitasking (by a huge margin). I've seen w98se crawl even with a Pentium 4 and 512MB of RAM with just 3 IE windows open back in the day, while 2k flied.


>The OpenBSD bug on Xenocara which allowed root needed more code, not less.

X was considered and still is a "hack".

>So this is the case with pledge(4) and unveil(4), you need (a little) more code in onder to sandbox setuff properly.

You don't write a graphical subsystem and then tries to sandbox it. Sadly nix advocates won't ever understand this logic.

>NT4 was much more complex than W98SE, yet NT4/w2k was much better on multitasking (by a huge margin). I've seen w98se crawl even with a Pentium 4 and 512MB of RAM with just 3 IE windows open back in the day, while 2k flied.

Let me compare apples with pears, i mean two different approach for OS development which have almost nothing common except the w32 stuff, and let me conclude the newer is better. I don't really see your point.


I woudn't say "newer" is better, but sometimes you need a bigger and more complex codebase to get more performance, stability and security.


And bugs.


Why generalize? You need that.


Hence, "option". So you can toggle the feature on and off. Please don't deride people for needing special accommodations in their daily driver software.


Option 2 : BlueEyedOS / Cosmoe


Yes! That was it.

When on the subject of "things lost in the mists of time", did the original OpenBeOS lead (Michael?) ever return?


> Very friendly (but also effective) installer. Probably the best I'd seen, at the time. Hell, maybe still the best.

The Installer in BeOS/Haiku does't do anything special: it just copies everything from the source to the target. The Installer is available in the installed system too, therefore you can install your installed and personalized system to a different disk, basically cloning everything.

But you forgot the bootmanager from your list.

I still yet to see anything like this 2 in other OS.


> The Installer in BeOS/Haiku doesn't do anything special: it just copies everything from the source to the target.

It's almost like operating systems have gone out of their way since the 90s to overcomplicate this process.

Then again, Haiku went out of its way to overcomplicate its otherwise simple "just copy it" application installation process just a bit too.


1. OmniOS just copies the zfs-dump in the installation

2. Zfs-dump zfs-restore

;)


>enterprise grade server os

We are talking about desktop operating systems here, so this is completely irrelevant.

>zfs

Not an OS.


>We are talking about desktop operating systems here, so this is completely irrelevant.

You can use Omni OS or Solaris as a desktop and i bet it's vastly more Desktop capable the Haiku.

>Not an OS.

No ZFS is a filesystem, and the Omni OS installer copies the image from the iso to the disk, the haiku installer is not a OS too.


>You can use Omni OS or Solaris as a desktop and i bet it's vastly more Desktop capable the Haiku.

Yep, it is a well known phenomenon some folks like to larp as mainframe administrator on their home pc but it wont make a server OS a desktop OS. This is also true for linux.

>No ZFS is a filesystem, and the Omni OS installer copies the image from the iso to the disk, the haiku installer is not a OS too.

I meant you can definetely use zfs tools to clone a volume, but who want to read the zfs user guide for this? From the user POV starting the Installer and picking the new target to copy the whole installed and personalized system on a GUI is the simplest way. No other desktop OS does this, because while programmers know the storage technologies evolving every day and storage space was always an important question, nobody tried to help to the user to move the installed system to a different disk, instead they offer sketchy 3rdparty disk cloning tools.

Mediocre solution, but we never expected anything else from programmers, most of them dumb / soulless.


>larp as mainframe administrator on their home pc

Look buddy i stop here you lack basic knowledge.

HINT: Solaris is not a Mainframe OS, and Haiku is a single user system (aka launch everything as "root/admin"), and now think about it why it's so easy to copy files from one system to another ;)


I think the former wants to say that Solaris was build for servers and thin clients.


But then he's wrong with linux, Linus build linux for his pc.

And thinks zfs is a 3rd party tool on solaris...lost for words..


No, obviously i am wrong here. nix users doesn't larp as mainframe administrator, no way. They just simply doing the same, but it is definetely different, because they doing it on a pc. Man, i am speechless. Are you one of those who advocates for unix user handling, so you can abuse it to separate processes and don't even notice, how stupid to follow practices from the 60's? But hey, you can have an apache user...

Sad, but true, most people talking here should never picked IT as a profession.


Mainframes work completely different than unix, but hey your a unfunny troll and we leave it at that.


The dive-through menu is one of the best feature in the OS. There is nothing wrong with it. https://www.haiku-os.org/files/slideshow/drilldown.png


Thanks for the image, upvoting you. I think it could be a personal preference, but I can't handle it very well with the mouse.


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