Heavily armed police set up a barrier and let the shooter run wild for nearly an hour. Parents screamed and begged for them to intervene and they refused. When parents tried to push their way past, the police stopped them. You can see them pinning one father to the ground in that video, which is frankly the most upsetting thing I have ever seen. But everyone should watch it. It's important to understand just how indifferent police are to the citizens of this country. They have no legal obligation to protect anyone, but this goes even further than that. There are reports the police called on the children to yell if they needed help. When at least one child yelled "help", they did nothing, and the shooter was able to locate that kid and murder them.
These cops should be tried for aiding and abetting the mass slaughter of children, but I would be surprised if they got so much as a temporary paid suspension.
Every single police officer involved should be charged and tried for felony homicide as accessories of the shooter. And if the courts don't punish them, the people should.
Still all unverifiable, but what seems likely if you put aside your breakdown as monstrous and look for a rational explanation and relate to police procedure
The shooter makes it into the school under pursuit and enters a classroom with two adjoining classes.
Officers are reported as shot in the process.
At that point, there is an armed gunmen in a classroom barricaded in.
It's now a hostage situation.
The rest of the school is occupied by police and evacuation/threat plans are being followed.
Storming a classroom filled with hostages is not procedure.
Parents and others running into the school when they already know where the shooter is and what the situation does not help anyone.
Although the timeline is 90 minutes or so from entry until he was neutralized that doesn't mean he didn't just shoot everyone in the first minutes.
The idea that they just gave up or were all cowards is a bit irrational.
> what seems likely if you put aside your breakdown as monstrous and look for a rational explanation and relate to police procedure
What does "police procedure" have to do with individual officers going in to save their own children? Do you actually believe this to be the procedure anywhere?
> Although the timeline is 90 minutes or so from entry until he was neutralized that doesn't mean he didn't just shoot everyone in the first minutes.
How could the police possibly have known that all the children in the barricaded classroom were already killed? What if some could have been saved if they hadn't been left shot and bleeding for 90 minutes?
> Storming a classroom filled with hostages is not procedure.
You can't have it both ways. If the kids were killed immediately then there were no hostages to worry about.
> The idea that they just gave up or were all cowards is a bit irrational.
By this point we've all seen pictures of multiple police officers with bulletproof vests and AR-15 style weapons waiting around outside doing nothing -- other than holding back parents who wanted nothing more than to do for their children what the cops did for their own. If this isn't cowardice, what is?
> Officers are reported as shot in the process.
This is the entire story. A couple cops got shot and the rest were understandably frightened. So rather than risk their lives going after the shooter, they rescued their own kids and literally left the rest of them to die.
No one saved any children from the barricaded/defended classroom, no children not in the barricaded/defended classroom were shot after the gunman entered.
If they entered the school and found their own children, it was not from within that room.
"Have it both ways"
Merely pointing out an existing unknown, they may have cctv and know what was happening in the room. It's the part that concerns me the most, did they allow a crazed gunmen to slowly mow down children over 90 minutes?
My expectations is that did not occur but is a much larger concern than your whimpers about whether human beings acted parental within the course of their jobs. None had the opportunity to enter that room, the only one that mattered.
Parkland had a coward cop, I'd be very quick to call out more should they exist, we don't know yet, but from what we do know your suppositions do not hold water.
If all of that is true, it's still human nature. Cowardice, bad decisions, and cruelty are not uncommon police behaviors, especially. We can't reform it away because you can't train people to reliably put themselves in danger and make selfless decisions. Even the military can't reliably do that.
This was an absolutely insane, extreme situation that should never happen so that we never find out whether police are heroes or not. And it doesn't need to keep happening because we know how to prevent it.
I think the better question would be: Why shouldn't we want to know as much as possible? I can only come up with one answer - the truth may embarrass powerful people.
That's a lot of words but you didn't answer the question. The CIA and FBI are not accountable to Americans. You may be a fan of, or even work for, these institutions. But they are unaccountable and authoritarian and opaque.
Accountability likely peaked with the Church Committee (disclosed MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, etc), some of the results of which are still classified today, almost 50 years later.
None of those programs were canceled, or the leaders prosecuted. All we imagine we know about them is what they published. Most people believe they tried to use ESP for spying, but all we really know is that they wanted people to believe so. Jon Ronson discovered recently that they still want people to believe it.
It was a PSY-OP against the American public. The runup to the Iraq invasion was another. There certainly have been others.
I think it's very likely that a UBI would make salaries for those types of jobs go up quite a bit. People wouldn't feel like they "had" to do them just to make rent. I don't have a problem with those people making more money for the jobs they do. I think they've earned that.
You're lying. This is obviously a white supremacist site. See:
One section is titled “toll paid,” and it lists women who have been in interracial relationships, and had something horrible happen to them, like death or injury.
There is a difference between acknowledging and discussing facts that may be uncomfortable, and using facts selectively as a way to justify hatred and violence. (This isn't a comment either way about the veracity of your research).
Also, the parent post made no mention either way regarding anything you've suggested. "Wondering" about things in this way is a common tactic of bad-faith argument.
is this actually a problem? there are so many people in the world that you can always find cherry picked examples to prove your point. white men commit domestic violence, does that mean no-one should date white men?
https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/152967872671538790...
Heavily armed police set up a barrier and let the shooter run wild for nearly an hour. Parents screamed and begged for them to intervene and they refused. When parents tried to push their way past, the police stopped them. You can see them pinning one father to the ground in that video, which is frankly the most upsetting thing I have ever seen. But everyone should watch it. It's important to understand just how indifferent police are to the citizens of this country. They have no legal obligation to protect anyone, but this goes even further than that. There are reports the police called on the children to yell if they needed help. When at least one child yelled "help", they did nothing, and the shooter was able to locate that kid and murder them.
These cops should be tried for aiding and abetting the mass slaughter of children, but I would be surprised if they got so much as a temporary paid suspension.