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Amber offers that in Australia.

https://www.amber.com.au/


Victoria has had smart meters rolled out for over a decade.

The rest of the states in the NEM are aiming for 2030 to complete their rollouts.

Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G.


>Aside from the supposed "contentious" nature of smart meters, which is mostly the RW cookers thinking it's some nefarious plot, along with vaccines and 5G.

Eh I sit on the fence on this one. Take your pick as to who is going to abuse the data. Corps or the government to taste.

Consider this very proposal, incentives to use power at certain times are good. But that incentive structure could instead be very anti consumer. Higher prices when we need electricity would be a horrid state of affairs when rents have doubled in 5 years and a lot of people are barely holding on.


Smart meters don't make things better or worse, they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering than the century of multiple meters for peak vs off-peak consumption, as well as making meter reading/billing cheaper.

They enable new services like feed-in tariffs and incorporation of V2G and VPP infrastructure.

Rents have not doubled in 5 years.

Rental inflation peaked at ~8% and is now below 4% pa.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/rent-inflation


Well my rent went from 320 to 520. And then they wanted 580 so we are moving to a slightly nicer place for 600. Not quite doubled but near enough. My area has had larger increases than that. Bloke up the road had to have his daughter move home and take up 300 dollars of the rent, which is what her apartment was costing her before covid.

> they are technology that enables better time-of-use metering

Right and we all have to pretend that the technology is neutral and act surprised when it ends up being used for anti consumer purposes? Thats the usual game isn't it?


On rentals: Anecdata vs ABS statistics. No one is arguing that rents haven't gone up, but the rise peaked post COVID at ~8% and are now roughly reverted to the mean of 3-4% pa.

On smart meters:

Victoria has had them for 2 decades now.

If there were anti-consumer uses that our retailers or distributers took advantage of we'd know about them by now.

We've also had a fully privatized grid for quarter of a century, with generators, transmission, distribution, and retail separated.

The rorts have been by the distributors "gold plating" the poles/wires, and some machinations of the NEM by coal/gas generators.

Neither of which were caused by the smart meter rollout.


Bullshit.

Victoria's default offer will include the same offer from October [1].

Victoria has a separate regulator because it deregulated its electricity grid before the other states.

[1] https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/households/save-energy-and-mon...


Impolite.

In response to your nonsense about Victoria somehow being bankrupt.

Co-located PV/BESS or Wind/BESS is the best grid solution anyway. The REZs with transmission infrastructure (subsidized by government) will also add to the return.

The good thing is that even with over a decade of conservative government trying to kill it, renewables are now commercially the only choice for Australia and we will benefit from the rapid advances in storage as well.

Grid level plants are starting to also incorporate synthetic condensers and other FCAS services to make our grid more resilient and reliable, even as our clapped out coal plants move closer to shut down.


Victoria has had smart meters for two decades. The rollout started in 2006 and was basically complete a decade later.

The other states are aiming for a 100% rollout by 2030.


It applies in Victoria as well.

Victoria deregulated its market before NSW/SA/Qld.

All of the eastern states (SA/QLD/NSW/VIC/Tas) are part of a single market, with interconnects and wholesale prices set every 5 minutes.

Victoria has its own "default offer" and regulator of the retail market, which is also offering similar "free power" hours.

WA could be part of the NEM with some HVDC across the Nullabor, not sure if it would be economically worthwhile though.


> WA could be part of the NEM with some HVDC across the Nullabor, not sure if it would be economically worthwhile though.

Part of the motive of moving the WEM to 5 minute intervals was to eventually leave this option open.

The largest renewable project in the world is being planned in this area[0] so it's feasible that it all may be connected one day

[0] https://wgeh.com.au/overview/


Hope HVDC really takes off, having a power network that has solar feed covering 3 timezones as well as multiple latitudes adds to the national solar harvest and grid resiliency.

Because the individualized incentives do not take into account the community benefits.

The money saved is distributed across the community, for both those that directly benefit and those that can't (eg renters, apartments etc). The general benefit is of greater value than the individual savings.

Your attitude that somehow taxation is theft is a very silly Ayn Randian Objectivism outgrowth that has never been true, even in the most "free" US states.


> Because the individualized incentives do not take into account the community benefits.

Only if the utility company is pricing things incorrectly.

If the price of electricity is ~free during the day and expensive in the evening then the individualized incentives for installing a battery line right up.

> Your attitude that somehow taxation is theft is a very silly Ayn Randian Objectivism outgrowth that has never been true, even in the most "free" US states.

Whether it's theft or not doesn't change the arithmetic. When you're paying them the money they're paying you, it was your money to begin with.


They are, and they are being rapidly rolled out and the "post sunset" spikes are rapidly being flattened by both grid storage and "behind the meter" home batteries.

That's what is happening, the daily supply charge has been bumped up as well as the $/kWh during the other periods.

But it will still have the desired effect of shifting usage patterns, especially for people with rooftop solar and/or batteries and/or EVs.

We have a very large penetration of rooftop solar (due to government subsidies) and now home batteries as well.

There's definitely been a shift in the market "after sunset" when the coal "baseload" and gas peakers used to make their money.

The batteries are flattening out those spikes dramatically.


Using "on pace to miss its own forecast" is a weird way of phrasing "OpenAI made it up to bullshit the rubes".

Not to mention that being "on pace" is usually a term that means "keeping pace with".


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