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Still, seems useless to measure tokens when you can measure speed.


This is why I have been asking to fire product owners. Givven the same input, but different software engineers working with them, they can produce different output (code).


It's worse than that! Even when the product managers inputs to the engineers are constrained for many problems no two engineers will produce consistent results! In fact recent studies suggest that even the same engineer may produce different results based on mood, if they've had coffee yet, and how near to EOD it is.


> My guess is, Zuck really likes the idea,

You made an assumption, that's a good thing to expand thinking.

> It's almost as if having a CEO of a company placed beyond the control of the corporate board is a bad thing.

You can't draw such conclusion then.


I don't see it in grok or chatgpt launch threads.


> I don't see it in grok or chatgpt launch threads.

There's some wilful ignorance in your comments. Elon Musk's businesses have been taking a colossal hit due to his role in the Trump administration and pushing fascism across the world. To say that grok, the very models that have been announced to be trained as "anti woke", as not being subjected to criticism, is beyond belief.


Please link these comments in chatgpt, grok, claude and gemini announcement threads on hacker news.


The current case still seems very heavy on personal preference. Principles application is subjective as we are all human. I found the comment as interesting as the quote it is answering.


It does seem more of a borderline case to me when I reread it, too.


They never claimed it was technically hard. Brand recognition is their forte. They found out there is a need, developped a product around it.


Your answer's tone is weird.


Thanks


Obviously B2B given the context


Not really, there is a promise of a better career in the future.


Depends on what they’re studying and where. If you’re a PhD student English Literature at Directional State University most of your compensation is consumption value, not the promise of a career[1] or pecuniary compensation.

[1] For the huge majority of PhD students in the Arts and Humanities there are virtually no jobs in their fields and it’s not that much better in the social or exact sciences, though there is at least some extra academic demand for their skills. There are very, very few fields outside academia where a doctorate is a necessary qualification or close to it and those are ~all a terrible investment if what you want is a remunerative career; things like biomedical research where you do a doctorate, then a postdoc and then get a job paying what an MBA from a top tier business school gets their first year out.


Advice I got from an ex-cancer biologist working at a devices company: get your masters, and get out. PhD programs will always be there, but compound interest won’t.


That's the honor


No, that would be deferred compensation. The only problem with that theory is that it isn't real. Grad students aren't working for the promise of a better career in the future.


“That’s a risk we were willing to take.” -Dumb and Dumber


The art is not lost, just not funded. Feel free to fund the programmers for your own software projects.


It isnt lost but it also isnt a common skill set in programmers any more.

Most programmers are JS web devs writing client side code or server side CRUD.

I would guess < 10% of programmers writing code today get perf / valgrind out on the regular. I know I dont.


You can still write JS or TypeScript code that tries its best to keep memory use under check. JavaScript was around in the late 90s when the memory footprint of software was at least an order of magnitude lower, so it's absolutely doable.


JavaScript in the late 90s was doing a hell of a lot less than it is today.


You don't have to go that deep. 99% of the time our analytics or risk management teams have some really memory inefficient Python and they want me to write them one of our "magic C things" it turns out to be fixable by replacing their in-memory iterations with a generator.


Most people don't have the chance to do that, but hopefully we can see some other languages get first class access on the web. At least there is the whole WASM project.


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