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> It's cool, and I'll still support it, but I won't understand it :)

to be fair, m68kl is from that period of time. so it's the rare "acceptable" option to me

but yes, i wholeheartedly agree


this solution (hardware AND software) was built and designed for a time that no longer exists. i simply will never understand your attitude, when you can buy a raspberry pi and have a completely better experience in every way other than going "WAOW, Modern Firefox on my PowerMac"

Despite the venom, I do not need you to agree with me.

I am not going to feel foolish enjoying excellent keyboards and screens instead of whatever I cobble together for a Raspberry Pi.

And it seems you just decided to ignore the whole native dev thing as well as the homelab. How many virtual machines and software defined networks do you run on Rasberry Pi?

I guess it also depends on what you mean by retro. I got a 2013 MacBook Air for $50 almost 2 years ago to take on a backpacking trip. It runs Chimera Linux now, with packages from an Arch Linux container. I used it at the park for a few hours this weekend. I took a video call on it this morning. My Rasberry Pi is not going to be better for any of that.

Anyway. I am glad you disagree. I would like my old hardware to be more affordable so the less demand the better.


again, a lot of this hardware and software was built for a time and a place. to understand what they were creating and the limitations they faced.

waow! i am using facebook on an sgi! waow!

funko pops.

> I am not going to feel foolish enjoying excellent keyboards and screens instead of whatever I cobble together for a Raspberry Pi.

you can plug a nice input device and display into that. you uh... you knew that right?

> I guess it also depends on what you mean by retro

i literally said powerpc, so i guess, start there. x86 laptops are very common, insanely common in fact.

> Despite the venom, I do not need you to agree with me.

lol


> What do you want to be "interesting" about dosbox?

Quality of life improvements? Expanded (experimental) hardware support?


> No one is doing that, these people don't exist.

Unfortunately, they do. "Normie America" loves that shit. It's why they've been pushing it so hard: it's one of the few areas they're getting serious traction in day to day life.


Not where I’m from. No one has the money to fly to Japan for a shopping trip like this ad suggests. Where do these people exist outside the Bay Area?


We were talking about the clothing mockup using AI: "The very first thing they show this new machine doing is helping people shop for clothes using AI."

Also, Japan is a cheap travel destination right now. Two people can do a 14 day trip easily for $3000 total. That's not nothing but it's also in the realm of many middle class people regardless of where they live.


You probably don't even realise how far you are from average Americans, who are currently struggling to pay for their groceries. Shelling out three grand for a two-week vacation is simply unattainable for the vast majority of the population.


> You probably don't even realise how far you are from average Americans

I think this is more you than me. The middle class in America is still strong. Is it weakening and eroding? That is also true.

> Shelling out three grand for a two-week vacation is simply unattainable for the vast majority of the population.

Would you quote me where I said it was the majority, let alone vast?

Well, actually, depending on the data and who you ask, 40-60% of Americans spend $3000 a year on travel. Is 60% the majority? I'm not good at math.

https://www.ngpf.org/blog/question-of-the-day/question-of-th...

https://www.nerdwallet.com/travel/studies/summer-travel-repo...

So really, you may be the one who's disconnected from reality. Not to say that things aren't getting better, I think they're getting worse. Just that you've got a bit of a doomer mindset.


No, 40-60% plan to travel, and the average amount of that travel is 3000. That is not at all the same thing as “40-60% of americans spend $3000 a year on travel”!

The data provided simply isn't sufficient to support the claim.


I went down a whole rabbit hole trying to find the numbers for this. If you Google there are lots of different numbers reported.

According to [1], the average American household spend $682 on airfares in 2024, plus an additional $199 on "Intercity bus, train, and ship fare"

There is spending data on "out of town" trips in [2] but it is extremely hard to work with.

If the average household spends $881 on these cost then it's probably at least reasonable to double that in total travel spend, so in round numbers at least $2000 is an estimate I'd believe.

It also makes $3000/year within reasonable bounds of possibility. But in terms of measuring how households are doing I'd note this is down from the 2023 numbers.

The normal issues with measuring average vs median apply etc.

[1] https://data.bts.gov/stories/s/Transportation-Economic-Trend...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables/top-line-means.htm


> The data provided simply isn't sufficient to support the claim.

I posted more than one article.

A $3000 trip is within reach of more Americans than you expected. I don't know why you're unhappy to find that out.


Neither article provided anything like the sort of figures needed to determine if the median is way out of line with the mean; just a whole pile of uncorrelated percentages. You have not provided anything that supports the claim. And I don't have a dog in this fight, just pushing back against bad statistics.


I dug some numbers out on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48116241

$2000/year on average seems a good estimate, and $3000/year is something that could be possible.

This is higher than I expected.


More people travel overseas than ever before. To the extent major tourist destinations are having to take measures to limit the number of tourists coming there.


Families pay double that or more for a week at Disney.


> Families pay double that or more for a week at Disney.

Not anymore. Disney now targets high income earners, not the average American.


LAX to Tokyo is 1100 per person. I could do the rest of the trip on 60 dollars a day? That's like Thailand prices maybe.


I'm seeing LAX to NRT direct for <$900

Granted, I was thinking of my home airport, SFO. The tickets from there are <$800 a person round trip


Not for a dedicated shopping trip.


Or maybe you can buy some stuff while visiting on holidays?


> "Normie America" loves that shit.

Mate I'm in the EU and neighbor has got a statue of big gorilla on his balcony.

The EU is just as consumerist as the US. I can't tell you the number of young dudes who think they look cool because they're wearing a fake Hermes manpurse and who wear a cap as if a videoclip from the 90s from Vanilla Ice just called (don't get me wrong: I love Ice Ice Baby and I read Vanilla Ice is a good person. But it's 2026).

And there have been several EU companies getting funding to create an "AI personal shopper app" (all getting pwned by Google and other big players).

No really: the EU is incredibly consumerist too.


I don't know why your being junked, few companies know more about people than Google. That's why this pos is marketed directly at them.


This was going to be my response, the biggest data miner in the world doesn’t know how users are buying online? That’s a big claim


Are you sure? I think "normies" would prefer to see and try on the clothes they buy.


People will order clothes they see on tiktok without ever having touched them. Having something where their users can basically say "order me that shirt" while they are tiking their tok or rolling their reels, and it works most of the time, is a company's wet dream.

Though, people "want" a lot of things that actually end up making them less happy. So responding to demand doesn't necessarily make it a good thing, but only time will tell.


some elgato stream deck models have knobs. 3Dconnexion also still around


Elgato and Corsair have also made a keyboard that has the Stream Deck buttons + knobs on it.

https://www.elgato.com/us/en/explorer/products/stream-deck/g...


Yes, that's the problem.


> A great company that made the mistake to stay stagnant.

Sometimes, a company like this is very few people who made something that they wanted and were happy to find others wanted it as well.

So you call it a mistake, but it may very well have been intentional.


I think intentional. My point is refusing to innovate (taking the risk and effort that comes with it) will lead to the announcement eventually.

It may be they kept operations small, were happy to sip cocktails on the bitch while monitoring production on their laptop, and now it's time to retire. Nothing wrong with that, a bit of a waste of talent though.


> My point is

And my point is, don't immediately assume it to be a mistake. :)


> This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices

It was not said that Apple was exempted. What was said is that Apple complied with the exemption rules.


It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication. The replier then pointed out the exemption rule is outdated therefore the implied consequence is wrong and the original line of reasoning was misinformation, and thus would be the greater error. Humans


> It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication

It really, really wasn't. All it said is that Apple became compliant with their current offerings.

Now you're contorting to dig your heels in, so I think this conversation is over. Have a good day.


It really, really was. It's the most basic type of logical implication.

It said: IF BatteryCycles THEN Exempt. BatteryCycles(Apple).

By first order logic modus ponens this results in:

Exempt(Apple)

This is basic math literacy by now. The fact that you do not seem aware and are being confidently rude about it is worth pointing out. Don't do that on HN. This is still a tech forum so try to respect rational discussion as we all abide by these shared rules in this space.


Again, it really, really wasn't. You can do all the contorting you want. Even your "math" here disagrees with you and you don't even realize it!

The post stated "Apple devices", referring to currently produced Apple Devices. Not "Apple". Those are two separate things, you get that, right?

I don't know what level of "basic math literacy" is required to understand that a company and a smartphone are separate things, but you don't seem to have it. Anyways yeah. I don't really owe someone who is repeatedly confidently wrong any further of my time.

You seem determined to have the last word, so I will let you have it. Maybe lecture me about how you prove a Tim Cook is an iCloud with monads. Bye.


The replier was wrong, though. They misread it and skipped over the part they thought wasn’t there.


They they're both wrong for separate reasons, hah.

Edit: the person who posted the links is still saying they're right, it seems they found the wrong link and fixed it.


> why do they come up with the idea that this is the technology of the gods, unaffordable by mere mortals?

because the gods want it all and are willing to pay top dollar.


Isn't this the case of money going from left pocket to the right, since these companies are owned by the same investment funds?

I wonder whether this is some kind of a racket.


"Owned"? You mean they invested


Investors are owners, yes.


> Isn't this the case of money going from left pocket to the right, since these companies are owned by the same investment funds?

No.


Careful with absolutist statements :)

macOS can in fact be configured to use a third party idp, including interactive elements, on loginwindow.

So, you could build your own through the ExtensibleSingleSignOn and Extensible Enterprise SSO macOS plugin API. You would do touchid, and then have it pop your own custom window/app, providing a prompt through that API, except it's just a hardcoded value (or some shit idk)

https://youtu.be/ph37Yd1vV-c

So yes, macOS can in fact do that. Just not out of the box. I strongly believe that it is a glaring omission, or at least something they should gate through lockdown mode. idk!


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