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It's not self-cancellation in the way you're interpreting the title :)


Author here. This! The point isn't to name and shame, but to illustrate a complex failure mode. I too could see myself writing this bug!


Hi! Author here. You're right — but two things to consider here.

First, that quote is referring to human-made systems, not natural ones (as is the rest of the essay!) and I think our views align on whether human systems regularly work.

Second, natural systems (and all complex-enough systems) are always running in some degraded fashion. So what "working" means is ambiguous: they are broken, yet accomplishing the goal. The quote from the essay refers to "working" in the "free of faults" sense, in which I again think our views align.


"they are broken, yet accomplishing the goal."

Are they really either of those two things? Natural systems have no "goal", they just are. If they change, they change. If they stay the same, they stay the same. Because there is no goal, there is no "broken". It is only we who assign some sort of meaning to them and characterize them as "working", either because they meet our needs, or just because we are inherently impressed by complex systems.


If you follow through on there being no goal, there is no working or not-working state, in which case it bears no relevancy on the question of whether "Working" is not the natural state in a complex world!

Or rather, you could say TFA is made more correct, by virtue of “working” not being a natural state in the first place.

But if we allow room to anthropomorphize, we can basically state that the natural goal of a natural system is to keep doing what it do, at least in regards to the larger outcomes. And for some strange reason, these systems are shockingly difficult to influence at meaningful scale in ways that are rarely true for the systems we design. In one sense, they continue to operate despite continuous minor and possibly major (but not catastrophically so, by definition) perturbations to their state

You need to burn ridiculous quantities of dino juice to influence the weather system. You need to look at windows a little funny to bring it to a complete halt. You need to bully only few substations to bring down the electrical grid.


I’ve read recently about natural systems in the book Antifragile. It’s interesting how those systems can become better.


holy unrelated discussion, batman! it sure yaps


The site's description says: "I was feeling nostalgic for the Windows Bubbles Screensaver, so I made my own, much more relaxing version."

Click the bubbles and they pop! Very satisfying :)


The shell script starts with the following comment:

    # All the code is wrapped in a main function that gets called at the
    # bottom of the file, so that a truncated partial download doesn't end
    # up executing half a script.


Most of these scripts have been doing that for years.


I'm sure of it. And yet based on this rapidly getting to the front page, it seems like many of us are part of today's lucky ten thousand: https://xkcd.com/1053/

Might be more than ten thousand, even, based on the reactions :)


I had to do stuff like this over com ports using systems made before PC's.


Oh wow, what a read! Great story, thanks for sharing :)


(Author here) The image is AI generated. I did not use any AI to write the post itself.

That's just my style of writing, you can check my pre-GPT posts and compare if you'd like.


Wow! Are you maybe able to find a demo video of this? I'd love to see it!

(I'm the author of the post btw)


I think this one showed some of it (I saw it elsewhere, this is just what I could dig up) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRB3TWIAXE


(Author here) For our Wi-Fi bridge, the devices on both ends were set to max power.

I don't recall them being able to change data rates very much (if at all) because the ones at the beginning of the story were 802.11g devices, and 802.11g didn't have channel bonding capability or similar tricks up its sleeve. Newer equipment definitely has more options like this.


(Author here) Across several city blocks, in fact, and longer than the max range of Ethernet on normal (Cat 5/5e/6) cables.

Past ~300ft/100m, you need a repeater even for Ethernet. We would have needed at least one repeater somewhere along the line, which adds even more cost and complexity on top of needing to get permits from the city and approvals from all the neighbors in between. Anyone that says "just go get a permit from the city" has never tried doing it.


As for cable, you'd use fiber optic. There is really no need to go with copper in such a case.

Other than that I'd agree about your solution being optimal back then, and now. Btw how did you check the power brick, peak to peak voltage measurements? Bad capacitors is likely the single most common failure.


What happens when the tree grows taller? Would the new wifi still go through leaves and branches?

Edit: it probably did as the story is 10 years old.


You omitted to answer the question why the equipment wasnt simply put higher.


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