This sounds like you are urging people not to disregard racism when comparing superpower regimes.

Whataboutism is a very useful game to reveal whether people are being honest or not.

If someone is vocally complaining about country A doing some oppressive activity, while ignoring country B doing 100x the same activity, the comparison does not forgive or excuse country A, or make them right or admirable.

But it does allow us to conclude that the person complaining is biased. Either they don't care about the oppressive activity and want to attack country A for some other reason. Or they have a particular fondness for country B and will never accept that it does wrong. Or some variation on these.

Except it’s op posting whataboutism not me - their claim is that China has done nothing wrong to them with the implication that the USA has. I was highlighting that China indeed likely has done the things they’re complaining about.

Disagree. When tool limitations meant that this was the way people had to work, many people could do this.

It was much more inefficient, because it's easier to find bugs after compiling or running the code. But it is perfectly possible.

Even more extreme than that, if you were working on a large code base where compiling it took forever, or you needed to rely on a very slow CI pipeline, it became very important to git gud and write shit that worked first time in order to deliver when promised. I'd argue if you've never had one of those moments where you sunk a bunch of time into some changes and it all compiled/worked flawlessly the first time, you're missing out.

> When tool limitations meant that this was the way people had to work, many people could do this.

Sorry when have you ever had to write code without being able to compile it? Tools have never been that limited.

You don't think neural networks are going to be a factor in drone wars? How far out do you think this prediction will hold?

Most drones are controlled by humans, so they don't need neural networks. Larger drones still don't use anything too advanced, as specialized neural networks actually don't need beefy hardware.

Maybe this will change in future, but the US still has enough semiconductor manufacturing capacity to produce a few million chips for drones.

You know that when there were COVID related supply chain disruptions to microchips coming out of Taiwan, Europe and the US actually found it impossible to make the right number of cars?

Offshoring into China was literally invented by Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese companies.

We see high quality tech products coming out of the countries and assume that they're very good at building things. In fact they are extremely good at managing complex supply chains going in and out of PRC, while keeping certain high value add parts of the business within their own countries.

Just keep on spinning cotton thread the old way, ignore what they're building in Manchester..

Don't know if you are serious, but why become part of the problem?

Why not just review a single document quickly, find an error which invalidates the document, and send it back saying "Policy paper 1 mentions X as being on the business plan for Y, it's not on the plan, please can you fix."

Because they will fix it and send again.

Unless you can write a good-sounding reason why it's on them to review a LLM output before sending it to you, they will outsources this reviewing to you, and it's a lot of reviewing.

It's not a lot of reviewing if you simply find the first thing that makes the document unusable and call them out on it.

If it's genuinely hard to find that single bug .. perhaps the document has reached the quality required for corporate communication?

Original comment stated that it was 10 documents, all LLM-generated.

In my experience, it does take a lot time and effort to find contradictions between 10 documents. Even with good documentation, it's hard to build a mental map for that amount of information.

Because they'll just paste your remarks in their llm, let it correct the text and send it back to you.

Why do your colleagues work when they could at least attempt it first?

I think that's exactly the grandparent's point.

Those conflicts are all the pretexts - they believe that it's actually class war and the other labels are all used to avoid calling it by its name.

It isn't class warfare if the two (or more) sides aren't divided by class.

What OP meant was the income and wealth gaps are they only things they care about, not the only things that are real.

Taxonomy is never perfect. What's the most obvious one that seems watertight? I'll tell you the holes in it.

No, it's the empirical fact that the US is a plutocratic oligarchy. The oligarchy runs the economy, the government, and the media for its own benefit, and is violently opposed to anything that challenges this.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

How do you "empirically" prove something of that sort?

I for one look at Trump or the previous Tea Party change in the Republican party as anything close to having a static group of elites controlling the country

This is not true. Plenty of Europeans have credit cards which work exactly like US credit cards.

The main difference between credit cards in Europe and in the US is that poor people can't get them here.

> The main difference between credit cards in Europe and in the US is that poor people can't get them here.

Nah, really the main difference is that the EU caps interchange (paid ultimately by the merchant) at 0.3%, whereas it can be upwards of 3% in the US for high-end cards. Without big interchange earnings, there's little reason for issuers to push credit cards, and they're less attractive to consumers (interchange pays for 'reward' schemes).

I was denied credit card after changing jobs. I did have some student debt, but small amount on small payment and rates were low. Also had other credit card but not high limit. Nothing in negative credit history.

Did get the same card a few months later after probationary period. But yeah even without significant existing debt you can get denied in Europe.

Let's not pretend that predatory lending is not a thing in at least some EU countries as well, just because it takes other forms (installment payments, buy now pay later etc.), but as a general trend, I'd agree that it's much less common.