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I am still amazed by the typical internet American's (Yours also I presume) love for voting, despite having long degraded into a two-party charade.

Your sentiment starts out fierce: "constantly, actively..." and is immediately cut short "... choose to (only?) vote it that way."

You point out that voicing one's interpretations of the 2nd amendment is powerless - but voting, reduced to such a miniscule gesture, is also. The choice between a galloping right wing and a stagnant center-right is no choice at all. American elections are a facade for decisions already made on top. You can't vote it out.


How (and if) you vote is really the one and only thing politicians care about.


They care about appearing to care about it. In reality if they don't think you'll vote the right way they just prevent you from voting, like with a vaccine passport or an ID card. (See? Both sides covered)


There has never been a vaccine requirement for voting. It has never been voted on. It has never gone to committee. It has never been proposed.

If you nevertheless are certain that that was or is the goal of one of the US's two major political parties, then you've reached a perplexing conclusion based on, I can only guess, no evidence, evidence imagined, evidence misunderstood, or evidence contained in a source that should be tossed into the garbage can.


This is why it is important to vote in primary elections as well.


Voting the way you really want in primary elections might be counterproductive.

Let's say in the main election 45% of the population will vote for whatever candidate represents side X, 45% of the population will vote for whatever candidate represents side Y, and 10% is more-or-less in the middle.

If, during the primaries, side X votes for a far-X candidate, they will definitely lose the middle 10% to a moderate-Y candidate, leading to a strong Y victory. But if side X votes for a moderate-X candidate during the primaries, the main election will be moderate-X vs moderate-Y, and they have a pretty good chance of securing the slightly-more-than-half of the middle they need for an X victory.

Of course you now end up with a lukewarm moderate X victor who isn't going to represent your far-X views, but at least you're not dealing with an even worse Y-side victor.

The real solution is to get rid of the winner-takes-all system inherently resulting in a two-party election, but Good Luck doing that kind of overhaul!


Quibble: I think you're conflating "remove winner-takes-all" with "less spoiler effect". The first implies (some of) the second, but not vice-versa.

For example, ranked-choice voting would reduce the spoiler effect and allow you vote for your real choice, however it would not (on its own) change that races have a single winner, who eventually "takes all."

This matters because even if it's preferable to have both, ranked-choice is easier to introduce incrementally and with fewer amendments to various constitutions.


That all makes sense if things are one dimensional, but they aren't. There are tons of issues, and people don't break down into just X vs Y. It's multidimensional. Find the candidate who most represents your views, and vote for them. You may find, even if you consider yourself an X, that a lot of people who consider themselves a Y will also like your candidate.


It does not stop far X candidates becoming president though, does it? Your current president is surely not moderate?

The UK has winner takes all parliamentary elections but still has multiple parties represented in it. There seem to be a lot of other barriers to other parties in the US doing the same.


The UK is more geographically diverse than USA, so Scotland votes for their party and so on. USA doesn't have that, every part of the country votes very similarly, even the most extreme states still votes very similarly to each other.


> The choice between a galloping right wing and a stagnant center-right is no choice at all. American elections are a facade for decisions already made on top.

This critique had its heyday in the 2000 election. I can't fathom still holding fast to it. The last 26 years have been a continuing, relentless stream of evidence to the contrary.


All democracy is a "two party charade" then. Countries that have a dozen parties still have them form a left-wing and right-wing coalition in order to actually get enough seats to form a majority. I'd call those coalitions the real parties.


It could be a display bug on my side, but you posted this exact comment twice.


He tried to reduce latency


This comment was the faster of the two comments and therefor won. The other was simply discarded.


I had to manually delete it.


The way I like to phrase this sentiment is "This guy is the training data."


This small part is what makes broken people. Whoever reads this, go have fun! :)


You know what? I think I will.


People with more dollars get more votes


s/People/Advertisers/


> People want dopamine hints, gamification, addictive distractions, and a culture of competitive perma-hustle.

The people yearn for the casino. Gambling economy NOW! Vote kitku for president :)

PS. Please don't look at the stock market.


Reminds me of the protest in the Shenanigans and Gimmicks part of this project: https://gre-v-el.github.io/Dimensional-Calculator/


How is a Turing-passing AI useful?


Books where you can read more about this: The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord (Have read - is weird, but relevant and recommended) Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard (Haven't read - scared of it, probably bearly relevant)


These are mostly irrelevant. Debord is totally narrative, it's worthless. Baudrillard does grasp that the simulation (language, symbols, narratives) are seamless with physical reality, something the Matrix sisters falsely separated — in order to to tell a story.


This reminds me of the Nepenthes tarpit [1], which is an endless source of ad-hoc generated garbled mess which links to itself over and over.

Probably more effective at poisoning the dataset if one has the resources to run it.

[1]: https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/


I'm running Iocaine[1] which is essentially the same thing on my tiny $3/mo VPS and it's handling crawlers bombarding the honeypot with ~12 requests per second just fine. It's using about 30 MB of RAM.

[1]: https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/


Odorless, tasteless, and among the more deadly poisons known to crawlers!


Unfortunately they will spend the next several years building up an immunity.


Do we know if LLM scrapers are running JavaScript on the pages? If they are, maybe it's worth offloading the Markov model to the client side.


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