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except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better


Like I said that's temporary. It's janky and wonky but it's a stepping stone.

Just look at image generation. Actually factually look at it. We went from horror colours vomit with eyes all over, to 6 fingers humans, to pretty darn good now.

It's only time.


Why is image generation the same as code generation?


it's not. We were able to get rid of 6 fingered hands by getting very specific, and fine tuning models with lots of hand and finger training data.

But that approach doesn't work with code, or with reasoning in general, because you would need to exponentially fine tune everything in the universe. The illusion that the AI "understands" what it is doing is lost.


It isn't.

Code generation progression in LLMs still carries higher objective risk of failure depending on the experience on the person using it because:

1. They still do not trust if the code works (even if it has tests) thus, needs thorough human supervision and still requires on-going maintainance.

2. Hence (2) it can cost you more money than the tokens you spent building it in the first place when it goes horribly wrong in production.

Image generation progression comes with close to no operational impact, and has far less human supervision and can be safely done with none.


This sounds like every system that I didn’t write completely myself and honestly some that I did


> Just look at image generation. Actually factually look at it. We went from horror colours vomit with eyes all over, to 6 fingers humans, to pretty darn good now.

Yes, but you’re not taking into account what actually caused this evolution. At first glance, it looks like exponential growth, but then we see OpenAI (as one example) with trillions in obligations compared to 12–13 billion in annual revenue. Meanwhile, tool prices keep rising, hardware demand is surging (RAM shortages, GPUs), and yet new and interesting models continue to appear. I’ve been experimenting with Claude over the past few days myself. Still, at some point, something is bound to backfire.

The AI "bubble" is real, you don’t need a masters degree in economics to recognize it. But with mounting economic pressures worldwide and escalating geopolitical tension we may end up stuck with nothing more than those amusing Will Smith eating pasta videos for a while.


Comments like these are why I don't browse HN nearly ever anymore


Nothing new. Whenever a new layer of abstraction is added, people say it's worse and will never be as good as the old way. Though it's a totally biased opinion, we just have issues with giving up things we like as human being.


> Whenever a new layer of abstraction is added

LLMs aren't a "layer of abstraction."

99% of people writing in assembly don't have to drop down into manual cobbling of machine code. People who write in C rarely drop into assembly. Java developers typically treat the JVM as "the computer." In the OSI network stack, developers writing at level 7 (application layer) almost never drop to level 5 (session layer), and virtually no one even bothers to understand the magic at layers 1 & 2. These all represent successful, effective abstractions for developers.

In contrast, unless you believe 99% of "software development" is about to be replaced with "vibe coding", it's off the mark to describe LLMs as a new layer of abstraction.


> unless you believe 99% of "software development" is about to be replaced with "vibe coding"

Probably not vibe coding, but most certainly with some AI automation


The difference is that LLM output is very nondeterministic.


And because of that, we check in the generated code, not the high-level abstraction. So to understand your program, you have to read the output, not the input.


It depends. Temperature is a variable. If you really need determinism, you could build a LLM for that. Non-determinism can be a good feature though.


How would you do that? If it's possible, it seems strange that someone hasn't done it already.


Totally possible and we can already do it ! Simply put, just set the temperature to 0 and reuse the same seed. But it's just not what people really want, and providers are reluctant because they cost up to 5x more to generate. It's also not 100% non-deterministic, because cloud providers don't run on the same hardware, with the same conditions required for producing the same output. So, in practice, not so good, but in theory if you need it and can afford it, you can.


That's your opinion and you can not use those tools.

People are paying for it because it helps them. Who are you to whine about it?


But that's the entire flippin' problem. People are being forced to use these tools professionally at a stagering rate. It's like the industry is in its "training your replacement" era.


That's Capitalism, baby


you don't like it? Find a place that doesn't enforce it. Can't find it? Then either build it or accept that you want a horse carriage while people want taxi.


How can you be so sure to think you're not replaceable? Because when you use the tools, you're giving data to companies to eventually get even you.


No wonder. You are selfish. Only think of how you can earn money without proving any benefit to society. All you know is how to drive a horse carriage and now taxies scare you. You feel threatened.

More power to society if my skills become easily replaceable. I can learn new things, contribute to society in different ways. I'm not afraid.


this comment will age badly


can you expand on ASML losing its dominance? i have not heard that


It hasn't happened yet. However China has demonstrated they can make the same thing now and just need some improvements. Time will tell but it isn't looking good for them long term.


my teenager self finds this as a challenge and just a way to defy your authority


I'd feel better about a kid smart enough to learn how to get around DNS block lists and other forms of mass surveillance and filtering than one who free ranges and isn't even trying to get out.


me too, but i want my child to get around those authorities and i want them to defy them, but i don’t want too be one of those authorities


after watching Swarm in love, death and robots i realized it is a short story, https://readerslibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Swarm.pdf but reading pdfs sucks, i made this small website to be able to read it without hurting my eyes, don't know if this is hackernews worth it, but i'm really proud of it


it’s even worse, with maids, given the socioeconomic dynamics, even if they are paid low, they will be paid “local-market-rates” where by definition they will have to earn enough to (maybe barely) live nearby the people paying them,

teleoperated robots don’t have that incentive and can pay “international low” levels of compensation


But then it can be more, so they can make more than a maid, for example in some countries call center jobs for bilinguals people make double the minimum wage of the local rate.


Plenty of opportunity to use forced labourers in a DIFFERENT country while complying with all the immigration laws possible, and also saving the owners from having to meet real poor people. (I hope this will not work well...)


Right, but the low income countries could also frame it as a new way to earn a living. I think avoiding giving jobs to those countries gives them no help.


what kills me specially about the buybacks

is that i’m sure even the CEOs would rather live in a world with anesthesia, MRIs, wifi, gps, etc

yet they greedily prefer to personally gain money because they cannot see that they would be richer in a world with { what would be discovered if we had science }

it’s just that you cannot miss what you already don’t have, if they could only see what would be possible, what we could achieve, the would go nuts about how slow we are moving


this comment is at best wrong, and at worst, purposely misleading


i’m gonna test this on a 52k rows document, very curious if it can handle that


Perhaps turn paging on in the config for a very large CSV?


52k rows is a large CSV? BWAHAHAHA. I guess it is all relative.


100% i like some thinks cursor gives me, but i’m to invested in how to use the navigation inside pycharm, i don’t wanna give up that


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