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I'm all for pushing boundaries, but this is a classic case of form over function.


I do believe that is the intention with this demo. From the first paragraph in the article:

  Each year we abandon browser support and throw a “Pshaw” in the face of semantics so that we can play with some emerging features of modern browsers.


Curtis' abilities surrounding marketing, PR and his brand has and will continue to drive this product. Not the technology.

Copycats can build the technology, but that's it. All the aspects of the product that have resulted it reaching the top of HackerNews are unfortunately a lot harder to reproduce.


> All the aspects of the product that have resulted it reaching the top of HackerNews are unfortunately a lot harder to reproduce.

Events of the past week suggest the technology is the only part that anyone's really interested in.


> Curtis' abilities surrounding marketing, PR and his brand has and will continue to drive this product. Not the technology.

I wasn't sure who Curtis was, so I looked him up. From his own sites, it wasn't apparent at all. I guess he is a superhero or villain, depending on which site of his you look at.

So why is his brand so strong?


Because he does two things really well that build huge brands around specific people:

1. Acts like he knows everything and acts like a polarizing, arrogant ass

(I've never met him, so who knows if he actually is an arrogant ass. The majority of people I have met that act like that seem not to be IRL. It's often a persona.)

2. Consistently writes blog posts that cause a lot of controversy (e.g. get people fired, give more famous people you know a spotlight to write content for you, etc.)

I'm not bashing Curtis with the above, even though my tone seems pejorative. It's just true, and it's the same way most political talking heads and radio personalities work. Curtis is basically something like the Howard Stern of the YC set.


All the aspects of the product that have resulted it reaching the top of HackerNews

What are those aspects?

Honestly, I'm not seeing it. I see this as a profound example of the cult of personality.


PR / Marketing / Brand — All aspects of the cult of a personality.


There is no cult of personality at play here. There has really been zero talk of Curtis the person as opposed to Svbtle the thing.


http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3742314

"Codename: Svbtle by Dustin Curtis"

Zero talk, when it's right in the title? Never have I seen such egregious inflation of a project because of the personality.


Uh, that's the title of his own blog post. The ongoing discussion has not involved other people talking about Dustin Curtis much at all. (Which is a shame, I think, as he deserves the credit.)


Uh, that's the title of his own blog post.

And few others could get away with that without being eviscerated as self-aggrandizers.

The ongoing discussion has not involved other people talking about Dustin Curtis much at all.

There is incredibly little that is compelling in what Curtis is pitching (in fact I find it all a bit laughably naive. His overarching goal seems to be to create the next The Verge or something? And some minor tweaks of blog authoring is going to make that happen?) It lit a certain niche of the web on fire because it was pitched by someone with a high PageRank, achieved via pretty pernicious tactics (the outrageous 3.5 inch bit being prime). Then everyone starts their clones and offshoots and discussions because they want a piece of the traffic attention.

I asked in my original comment in this post "What are those aspects [that resulted in it hitting the top of Hacker News]?" No one has answered. I have yet to see anyone describe why this deserves any attention at all.


There is no original thought here, the design and idea are identical, whether it's technically right or wrong, this shouldn't be encouraged.

Feel for you here dcurtis, and surprised people are actually behind this.


I'm also quite surprised, and disappointed.


It'd be a shame to see such a beautifully simple feature that is the iconic 'Like' watered down by a stab-in-the-dark revenue model.


One problem is that your average designer will not know what versioning is, never mind have an opinion as to whether it'd be useful or not.

I see this as a case of applying a successful model from one field to another without consideration around whether this is actually a problem in the first place.


The usefulness of versioning and other successful models in other fields/contexts is an interesting thing to think about. It could be that some applications of these models are not solving existing problems so much as creating new opportunities. Versioning for art and design could create new opportunities for collaborative creation even if it doesn't solve the problems of existing artists and designers. I don't know how well this can work, though.


Andy Warhol produced numerous versions of his Campbell soup, in doing so he added some value in asking questions, if it was just one can of soup this wouldn't have been the case.

A can of soup doesn't equal a painting of a can of soup.

There are many differences.


Do you not see this as immoral and disrespectful to the original artist?


Not really. As far as I can tell, the original artist wasn't selling his works, right? And apologies in advance to all the designers reading this, but the posters are a sentence fragment in a standard font. They're not printing off bootleg copies of the Mona Lisa here.

I suppose I'm being immoral and disrespectful, myself. Should I send Dos Equis a letter of apology, see if KC Green sells prints of his comics, and try to track down both the artists working on the Spiderman show as well as the person who placed text on this image? http://imgur.com/3CHhp

Let me know if I'm factually wrong in any of my statements.


"But the posters are a sentence fragment in a standard font. They're not printing off bootleg copies of the Mona Lisa here."

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A 63-year-old Picasso got out his pen and paper and sketched the woman, who passing by had asked for a quick self-portrait of herself.

It took him 30 seconds, once finished, he asked for 500,000 US dollars.

'Why? It didn't even take you a minute!' she replied.

'Madam, that sketch took 63 years."

And off he walked, with the sketch in his pocket.


I think many people on hacker news recognize good design skill takes years to develop, but this is an extreme. They took a simple four word sentence and printed it in red. Do you think the public benefits by having this designer have a ~150 year copyright monopoly on something as simple as this sentence?

It's a simple poster people were excited about and when it was unavailable went out to make it themselves.


That's cool and all, but these folks are hardly Picasso, and the art in question could've been trivially generated by picking a few words at random from a database and adding color.

Don't treat this like a masterpiece.


"The Hacker Way" is no excuse to steal.

Your intentions are irrelevant. Unless somebody has clearly stated you can reproduce their creative work you shouldn't, nor should you want to.

Please do not use the guise of a 'hacker mentality' to mask your lazy and disrespectful actions.


Good artists copy, great artists steal?


Good artists copy, greats artists steal and make that they've stolen their own.

We are all influenced by the same things, it's what you do with that influence that matters.


Why do I think that by your tone and anonymity you are the offended designer?


I'm a designer (and developer, depending on the task).

Not the designer.


So, are you a good designer, or one who's work has never been used by others?


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