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since ChatGPT can write science fiction, why not just let it? publish all of its works in printed form


Because the problem isn't "chatgpt can write science fiction". The problem is that chatgtp can generate spam that's not easily filterable from genuine science fiction submissions without investing human effort, so the site is having a problem with spam and they have to close the submission channel.


Humans beat ChatGPT to the crap content game, though. Remember the Time Cube guy?


People remember the Time Cube because it was original.


That's actually a very good point.


what makes ChatGPT's science fiction non genuine? human authors get ideas from other human others, and ChatGPT gets ideas from human authors, and maybe even from itself


It has nothing to do with it being genuine or not. The number of submissions have increased by 100x and nearly all of it is crap, but crap that can't be easily filtered by automated tools. The bots aren't making stories that people want to read, but they are drowning out all the stories that people do. The philosophical and pragmatic implications of AI being able to replace people are interesting, but that isn't what this is - it's just spam by low-effort grifters.


thanks, this is a perfect encapsulation of what's happening, I'm surprised there are so many people here who don't understand the core issue here.


>there are so many people here who don't understand the core issue here.

Sufficiently advanced AI is indistinguishable from people who don't understand the core issue here. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever...


ChatGPT generates cargo-cult fiction. It is imitating the low-level structure of prose, but its model can't (currently) stretch to synthesize the high-level structure of a narrative.

We currently don't have any machine-level filter that would identify whether or not a piece of prose is actually a coherent work of narrative fiction or not. And annoyingly, if we did, AFAIK we'd also have everything we needed to train an AI (specifically, a GAN) to generate narrative fiction. So we're going to be dealing with this right up until the point where it doesn't matter any more, rather than being able to do any kind of quick hack to banish it "early."


I mean, once you can generate the content -- good content -- cheaply enough, no one will pay for it.


The interesting thing is that there exist techniques to generate coherent and even interesting stories, that do not rely on copying large amounts of examples thereof:

https://thegradient.pub/an-introduction-to-ai-story-generati...

Unfortunately those are a) virtually unknown outside academic circles and b) about to die a death. The latter, the death, they're about to die it because their space is now being taken over by a much more prolific technology that generates low-grade bullshit cheaply.

Life, innit. It goes in circles.


Thats part of my concern with all the money being dumped into openAI et al after they productive their generative models.

If all the money is in generative models that give "good looking" results, who is going to spend money investing in the techniques that don't produce as "good looking" results right now but who have a potential beyond recombining it's training data?


1) It takes time to review each submission and further resources to publish any that are accepted.

2) The volume of submissions has grown massively because spammers are using LLMs to generate spam submissions in the hope of getting paid.

3) The current generation of LLMs are not particularly good at generating quality literature on their own, so this massive deluge of submissions is mostly garbage.


Also I would go to venture to that what GPT produces passes the initial scan. That is mostly spelled and grammatically correct. I think those sort of submissions are common enough previously, but relatively fast to reject with "needs edit".

On other hand GPT might technically be good enough. But there isn't any actual substance. The reason why we read literature. This is varying bar, but still it does exist.


It’s not about genuine, it’s about quality. The chatgpt stories are poor and there’s tons of them to go through.

If the stories were great, or even if .001% were great, then I think the magazine would be happy as they’d be able to put out more great stories.


Human authors do get ideas from existing material, and they do imitate existing work, but ChatGPT does not actually have any ideas. It is technically incapable of understanding. It generates the appearance of ideas, but that appearance is a reproduction of word relationships from its source materials.


It’s not an issue of “genuine”, it’s just crap. But to determine it’s crap someone needs to read it and that’s not scalable when you can generate hundreds of crappy submissions in an instant.


ChatGPT output may not be copyright eligible, which erodes the underpinnings of the publishing industry.


Maybe “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should”?

There’s too many things to list that you “can” do that society collectively believes you shouldn’t because the negatives outweigh the positives.


and then what? it can't be original, it will forever recycle/regurgitate past SF. Nothing new will appear.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Variety

"...a last ironic thought drifted through Hendricks’ mind...They were already beginning to design weapons to use against each other."


"there is nothing new under the sun"

But also I expect AI-written novels to be pretty crap, so I'd prefer humans keep doing it.


> it can't be original, it will forever recycle/regurgitate past SF

I can’t see why. It could very well, on its own, use other genre’s narrative structures, stories or styles that are uncommon or inexistant in SF.

It could also be used by a human writer to flesh out the story and concepts the writer has created. There are a few authors I find brilliant but whose writing and characters were sorely lacking.

It’s really more about what you do with it than wether or not you use it. I mean, computers have enabled people to simply copy-paste stuff and not produce anything meaningful. Some do just that. Others have thrived.


are people still interested in writing blogs?? when ChatGPT can write blog posts, why should we?


Of course, ChatGPT can only respond about things already created, it cannot create new things. This would be AGI territory.


ChatGPT can clearly get through job interviews, but can it also actually do the job?


i read recently that ChatGPT could replace teachers

so will ChatGPT have its students correct itself ??


Is it still worth learning computer science when ChatGPT can do everything? Is fishmonger the only viable career left for humans?


Nah; based on another HN thread: It already figured out that it needs to start tricking first year biology students into creating mutagens. The survivors will gain superhuman powers (that we mortals cannot understand), and use them to do ChatGPT's bidding.

Edit: And it will do this because it is a good Bing and you are a bad user. SMILEY_FACE_EMOJI.


Is it still worth learning anything other than computer science?


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