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It’s complete science fiction so they’re allowed to say anything. They could have said the AI will upload itself to the internet, start self replicating, hack the stock market. Whatever they want because it’s all made up nonsense.

People have posted prolific artists, called it AI, and had everyone hating them until the big reveal. So to be frank, it probably is in your head.

Who are these “everyone”? I suspect that you actually mean “many random social media users”, which only proves that getting negative reactions out of the average social media is trivial; not exactly a groundbreaking discovery.

Art has never been about the objective quality of the work

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

If it was never about objective quality, Plan 9 from Outer Space and The Eye of Argon would be highly regarded, not the butt of jokes and drinking games.

And those are the examples so infamous that they get to have the honour of being laughed at, there are many more which simply fade into obscurity from their ineptness.


William McGonagall produced some brilliant art - just not in the way he thought.

There’s a story in How to Solve It that’s basically the same.

How dare they copy the largest plagiarism machine ever created.

Should have given the other frontier models a chance too? What if Fable or GPT-5.6 would have found a 30% speed up? Not like a sample size of one means much though.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the purpose of this article is. I don't have a lot of experience with Rust, but I think this is the type of task even Opus 4.5 could do.

Not everything is an 8D chess conspiracy mate. If they wanted to do this, they’d wait until OpenAI and Anthropic were at their absolute peaks of investment and then release an open source model that was as good. That’s not what they’ve done at all.

I agree, but you think OpenAI and Anthropic are not already at their absolute peaks of hype and investment?

At valuations of about trillion each, I don't know where else they'd go..


Those valuations are sure to be re-assessed with new evidence...

A hundred million is table stakes. They get better results by stoking the fires (bluffing) and keeping their opponents locked in a war of raising and re-raising the stakes. By amping up the pressure, they drive more and more investment into the bubble.

China also benefits massively through all of the commodity hardware they make. Sure, they aren't competitive in the chip arms race, but they dominate all the component and power electronics markets. Think about all the power supplies and other commodity components needed to build a gigawatt-scale data centre.


I’m trying to be charitable but your comment reads as “China bad” propaganda to me. Who cares that DeepSeek and Z.ai are Chinese companies?

It doesn't matter until it does. If the chinese government decides that open weight model releases are no longer allowed, that's a lot of companies that can't release new models. Same with the US government, etc. Having diversity is important.

However unlike the US models, China banning the release of new models would not break existing ones. Betting on US models only can get you locked out in just a few hours.

No, Open weights US models would not break as well - this isn't related to China or USA, it's about Open Weights and the fact that you can download the models.

It's a similar problem the human DNA solved by telling our teenage selves that our parents are dumb and we needed to move to a new tribe. Genetic diversity, but a digital equivalent.

China’s got absolute control over its outputs. For America to have any guarantees around long-term availability of OW models, they need domestic production.

FWIW this is the same logic for China’s need for their own OW models


LLMs aren't just for coding and math. Many people understand the world through LLMs, even when it comes to philosophy and politics.

If you understand the world through a Chinese LLM, you are seeing it through a biased lens stemming from biased training data.

(Also, in that way, having all major LLMs developed by the US carries a risk too. We need more diversity than just the viewpoints of the US or China.)


All 6 UN languages should have their own dedicated LLM at the very least: American for English, Chinese for Chinese, LATAMgpt for Spanish, Russia has their own, Mistral for French, the Arabs don't have one yet I think, then there's sarvam for India and South Korea's sovereign models like SK telecom's

I think practically every government will want to put restrictions on private companies building models.

Frankly the EU and the US will practically be less involved and have more pushback from the public in this than China. I think that’s less “China bad” than recognizing that China is a more authoritarian state and has far more proclivity to interfere than western states.

Maybe I’m wrong? What does deep seek say about Tiananmen square in 1989?


https://chat.deepseek.com/share/uf8jih4q95lbq3s8t2

This is what Deepseek replied when I asked it with a burner account. Claims it doesn't have it in its training data... sure.


Be interesting to see if it's possible to jailbreak and have it talk about it.

I am sure it can be but like it does prove the point of state interference in what the LLM is allowed to say/do in this case.

Ask an American model about the Epstein files and trump's involvement of them. Or about Israel committing genocide in Palestine.

Every model will have their own bias. Freedom is relative and American freedom is not the only form of freedom. China bad or China authoritarian and thus not free is a result of the red scare


Here is what Sonnet says on genocide:

"Surveys of genocide scholars (e.g., one by the journal Journal of Genocide Research contributors) show meaningful disagreement, though a visible and growing share of specialists in genocide studies specifically have concluded the term applies or is defensible — more so than international law scholars generally, who tend to be more cautious about the intent requirement."

You can be of the opinion that this shows bias, but it's a far cry from the Chinese censorship.

Clichés like "freedom is relative" are not serious arguments. You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China. Words have meaning.

E.g. looking at freedom house index you can disagree on the precise score or how different aspects are weighed, but you can't argue with the underlying facts in the country reports

https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores


You asked about genocide in general. Not Israeli genocide. Are you astroturfing? No one can make an omission that obvious

You can't genuinely argue that the US, for all its problems, is less free than China

This is how Americans convince themselves they are at the top of the world when they are not. No one outside of Europe and the US cares about the US anymore. They buy Chinese products and do business with Chinese businesses instead, right now. Worldwide, China is seen more positively than the US specially in global south countries. The exceptions of course are Europe and The US, the cold war first world countries of course.

freedom house index

This is obvious American bias. Astroturfing.


Try selling SaaS for finance (think Private Equity/Wall St type customers) that is powered by a Chinese model. See how far you get.

you live under a rock or what?

What are you hoping to get out of asking this question? It sounds like you already know the answer.

I don't know, that's why I'm asking! If I'm in that situation I hope this option is available to me, and want to know what to ask for.

If the answer is that it's illegal I'd know I can't ask this directly/explicitly (but maybe there's a "secret handshake" way of asking for it). If it is I'd know I can. I wish no harm to OP.


See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48878167

IANAD but have paid close attention to this for the same reasons. When my time comes I plan to let them know I'm in serious pain and prefer pain relief to life extension (though maybe in a more subtle way). I expect most will understand that.


I believe it varies by state but typically must be administered by a doctor or hospice nurse.

Reads like a man who put off searching for a real relationship for too long, but also didn’t develop that part of himself to maintain one. Then a bunch of existentialism blaming anything but himself. Could be compounded by his location, for example, it’s hard to find a wife in Miami ;)

The loneliness could take him to dark places. I’ve been there. I hope he finds someone.


Are romantic relationships really the only thing that people find meaning in in later life? If so, I'm fucked.

He had a girlfriend in livestream and was also on SeekingArrangement. He's rich from tech so what happened?

He was looking for a sugar baby?

The CEO has a bunch of AI papers. Seems like a smart guy, but I don’t know why he’s using the Mozilla brand or platform to screw around with AI stuff. Maybe because Mozilla makes no money and they’re hoping to jump on the AI bandwagon? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like it will end well..


Author here. The reason I joined the Mozilla ecosystem, and the reason I want to help Mozilla's mission succeed in the era of AI, is identical to the reason I supported Mozilla in my teens and college years during the early browser wars. Then, we had MSFT coming in to create a single point of failure (and control) for your access to the Internet via IE - Firefox combatted that. We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity.

Mozilla is nowhere near large enough to solve this problem on its own, but: (i) Mozilla AI, which I'm leading, is pushing to solve this at the infra and maybe platform layer by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling and (ii) Mozilla writ large is a big enough machine that it can create a community and alliance across dozens or hundreds of players to create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. That's my hope!


Wishing you the best, hope it works out. Would love if Firefox became a bigger player in the browser market too.


> We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity.

Really? I'm still using the internet, and I don't touch any of that stuff.

> by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling

Wait, what does that have to do with any of what you said before? That doesn't sound like "access to the Internet."

> create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet.

And now you've switched back to talking about the open (or not) Internet, which has nothing to do with "developers [choosing] their own AI tooling".

It sounds like you're just pursuing your own pet project while trying justify it using the language of internet freedom.


very well said, and I have been rooting for the team big time!

if you have an alliance hub for discussions with those also building open infrastructure tooling, please let me know!

have already been in the Mozilla AI discord since last year and had a great time being one of the 2 external participants during the name brainstorming for renaming any-llm ^_^


> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money

Mozilla makes a surprising amount of money, almost entirely from google.


This is a problem. Mozilla is completely dependent on it's primary competitor for funding Firefox. Although I don't agree with Mozilla's current direction, trying to diversify their primary source of income is rational from this perspective.


> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money

Something like $680 million annual revenue. There are thousands of companies in Silicon Valley that would kill for that.


I thought it was pretty obvious from context that “making no money” meant no money outside of Google giving them money to avoid an anti-trust. Which they could decide to rescind whenever they want or negotiate down.

Which they probably would if Firefox ever started to become a serious competitor to Chrome.


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