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> Since all major LLM providers seem to be down…

Man, if there are Googlers working on Gemini around here, that's gonna be depressing to read.


downdetector.com is showing Gemini issues as well

That’s just because lots of people are checking if Gemini is down, and downdetector only tells you if lots of other people are viewing that downdetector page

Anyone else remember microsoft copilot?

Isn't CoPilot largely a wrapper around ChatGPT and other models? IIRC they didn't create their own and just poured money (via Azure credits I think) into OpenAI to get access.

I believe it now uses the MAI models

Ah ok I'd missed that entirely.

They know where they work

> lettuce was dangerous because it was so cold and moist

Joke's on us, I guess.

https://www.fda.gov/food/outbreaks-foodborne-illness/investi...


Mythos and Fable are the same cost, aren’t they?

Yes they are.

The OP doesn't appear to know what they are talking about. Fable can absolutely be used to develop applications. It's just that for security stuff I use Opus 5. Which is fine for most use cases.


Jobs was also a human and a father, and apparently quite shitty at both. Is that not part of who he was?

If anything, those aspects were probably highly correlated to his success. Our economy runs on a system that does not prioritize nor reward empathy.

> Since the beginning of the company everything they made did not work with stuff from other manufacturers on purpose.

But that's often the right route. Sometimes what the others are doing is not enough to deliver a good result. Micro-USB sucked, so they made Lightning. Flash ran slow, so they helped kill it.


And honestly, these things should be deeply insulting to anyone with half a neuron. FIFA's Peace Prize, for example; a toddler is capable of seeing through that.

The juxtaposition illustrates the mastery Tim displayed in his manipulation.

> He never had government contracts with NeXT.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/steve-jobs-apple-next-cia-161b65f9

"The Hidden Debt That Apple Owes to the CIA: Without CIA funding that helped keep NeXT afloat in the ’80s, Steve Jobs might not have made a triumphant return to Apple—and the iPhone might not have its foundational operating code."


Per the article:

> For example, just recently, Apple deployed its formidable multi-billion-user global cloud infrastructure in service of… promoting the Brad Pitt Formula 1 movie. People were, understandably, a bit disconcerted to see their wallet payment app sending them promotional messages about a film, and Apple undoubtedly screwed up in polluting a functional messaging channel about transactions with a commercial message, but hey — this is a clear sign Apple knows it’s got the power to drop a note directly into millions of people’s pockets.


Crocodiles haven't changed much in 200 million years. Maybe it's possible that a form factor is largely correct for its use case after a while?

I'm inclined to see Apple Silicon as fairly innovative.


> Maybe it's possible that a form factor is largely correct for its use case after a while?

very much so -- same for UI components, which they keep changing for no good reason except to feel "fresh and new"


"delightful"

Fresh and new is a feature. And it is one that affect purchase decisions and brand perception.

I love boring-that-works but that's just me. Right about brand preception, it made me move to jolla, lots of suffering and a sense of acomplishment because fewer cents of my money going to far right pockets.

> it made me move to jolla

Where's Jolla? I did a quick place search (explicitly excluding La Jolla) but nothing turns up.


It's a place like Apple is a place !

>Crocodiles haven't changed much in 200 million years. Maybe it's possible that a form factor is largely correct

Then why is Apple releasing a folding phone now?


> Then why is Apple releasing a folding phone now?

We'll see. I remember when the Apple Car was imminent, and it wouldn't be the first bullshit rumor in the Mac world.

Hell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPower_(Apple) was officially announced.


"yo we heard you like camera bumps so we put camera bumps on your camera bumps so you can camera bump while you camera bump"

I wouldn't say they're an exact copy...


There was supposed to be a base there.

The Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain got flattened.


That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time

But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist


> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist

Have you seen the people responsible for planning right now? They're more concerned with posting AI generated memes on twitter and scoring bigotry points than managing a foreign conflict.


> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist.

Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.


> Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it

Not only that, but it was already that way for ~40 years, where past presidencies all knew and documented why it was a stupid idea, didn't press the stupidity-button, and mostly worked towards better options.


Idk, current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well. Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

> current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well

Gosh, if only they could've stopped it!

> Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

The only head of state assassinated in this conflict was Iran's.


Mega copium.

All Trump needs is a little dangling of glory and publicity and he'd oink like a pig if he thought it'd earn it. Pathetic creature.

Netanyahu tried the same schtick he's done for 30 years of POTUS's, just now we have someone retarded enough to fall for it and a party that allowed him to be surrounded by sycophants.

You should just admit you voted for a retard and pay your penance to your countrymen and species.


> If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes.

Americans make war on other people, other people don't make war on Americans. It's one of the reasons why they are so eager to do so. 'The other guys might hit back' doesn't even register in the cultural psyche.


They hit back on 9/11 and it caused a panic that is still ongoing.

I'm no shill for the US, but that's a hot take that's too simplistic by far.

Eg who armed the Mujahideen?


The USA, to fight the democratically elected government of afghanistan.

You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.

> You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation.

No, it doesn't. It's now in Thailand for R&R, then back to base in the US, because of this issue.

https://apnews.com/article/thailand-singapore-us-aircraft-ca...

> What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed…

Right. We're being too restrained. That's some Vietnam War era cope you're huffing.


In the Vietnam war the US didn't win because it couldn't, no matter how much force was employed. Here same thing: we can't depose the Iranian government without a land invasion (which is too costly) and nothing else keeps them from having control of the strait.

> In the Vietnam war the US didn't win because it couldn't, no matter how much force was employed. Here same thing

Yes, that is the point everyone has been trying to make.


Exactly, which makes this a stupid war to start in the first place.

Also, to be clear, a land invasion isn't "too costly". It's suicidal because we're talking about a massive country that has been preparing for decades, has a terrain advantage and literally more than a million fanatics ready to die for the regime. You'd need millions of soldiers deployed, and are looking at some Operation Downfall level expected losses.


I'm not suggesting we should even consider invading Iran - mostly because we don't need to, but these numbers you are throwing around seem a bit off the mark without either a time horizon or some other qualifier.

Also... a million fanatics ready to die for the regime? Maybe. Maybe some of them value their lives.

We've dealt with fanatics multiple times whether that's Japanese willing to die for the emperor or Muslim extremists throughout the Middle East trying to get their 72 virgins. Nobody in the US is scared of dealing with fanatics. Been there, done that. Iran is more mountainous and the terrain is a challenge but the major population centers aren't hidden in bunkers in the hills. Iran is also not landlocked, and unlike, for example, Afghanistan, we would be dealing with a population that has familiarity with the modern world and has at times even protested en masse against the current government of Iran.

Again, none of that is to suggest we should or politically could "invade Iran", and of course I don't think it's necessary to achieve any of our goals, but let's not put Iran on a pedestal either.


> Also... a million fanatics ready to die for the regime? Maybe. Maybe some of them value their lives

The Basij militia has more than a million men in it alone (officially it has 20+ million but more neutral sources pin the number around a million), and this is the organisation that was doing unarmed human wave attacks against Iraq to defend the Iranian revolution. It's also a theocracy with a religion that has martyrdom as a thing.

If anything, a million fanatics ready to die for the regime is probably an understatement.

> We've dealt with fanatics multiple times whether that's Japanese willing to die for the emperor or Muslim extremists throughout the Middle East trying to get their 72 virgins. Nobody in the US is scared of dealing with fanatics

And Japan surrendered because the Emperor said so. If Operation Downfall had to be done instead, you'd have millions of American and Allied casualties.

If you're not scared of this, you aren't paying attention.

> Iran is more mountainous and the terrain is a challenge but the major population centers aren't hidden in bunkers in the hills

Bombing population centres has never resulted in military victory. It has occasionally, alongside military reversals, contributed to political leaders deciding they can't continue (Hirohito, Milosevic), but it would be delusional to hope that Iran's Supreme Leader, sone of the previous one who got bombed out of existence, and again, is a religious leader part of a religion with martyrdom, would be impressed by the US bombing "his" people.


The US was fighting the wrong war in Vietnam. The Vietnamese wanted independence since the 1920s. The US didn't. The French didn't (the second time). The Japanese didn't. The French didn't (the first time).

It's not really the same thing. I really do not at all understand why folks see any sort of military intervention that isn't over in 5 minutes as "the next Vietnam". Venezuela was going to be the next Vietnam too. It's like "the next 2008" all over again espoused as a traumatic, quasi-religious point of view. Rather interesting from a cultural evolution standpoint - seems to be that some folks can't shake a trauma so they just keep going back to it even when it's no longer important or relevant for current decision making or situations.

The public being against the war is just about where the comparison between the war in Iran and Vietnam loses meaning.

The United States doesn't need to depose the current Iranian government on its own. An economic blockade could do that, or at worst simply deprive the Iranian government of the means to financially carry out war. As Iran is now finding out, the Strait wasn't quite the leverage that they, and pundits and internet commentators thought it was, and now the US isn't even interested in negotiating which is causing Iran to lash out. It'll be a slow, but certain death to the economy and such an event and blame rests squarely on the shoulders of those in charge of Iran and their idiotic and undemocratic beliefs. The world can't be held hostage and won't be. Though of course the fact that the United States yet again has to go police the world is a bit like a reservoir that slowly refills. There's only so much we're going to be able to do and we're seeing ongoing populist MAGA and DSA backlash against the war. The next crises the US may not be able to respond to politically and then we're in relationship trouble.


> An economic blockade could do that, or at worst simply deprive the Iranian government of the means to financially carry out war.

This sounds like the sort of "quasi-religious point of view" you're slamming, considering it's been tried repeatedly already without great success.


No, it doesn't sound like that.

We haven't ever tried this level of economic isolation with Iran. The closest would be North Korea. If you wanted to attempt to make it sound as though I was parroting a quasi-religious point of view, you would want to argue (which I haven't because it's incorrect) that I'm looking at what happened with North Korea (a regime that exists to terrorize the world thanks to communist regimes in China and the Soviet Union) and that I'm saying all blockades or economic sanctions will work just like that, which is, of course, nonsense, just as comparing Iran to Vietnam today is.


> The closest would be North Korea.

This is your best example? The now nuclear power that's resisted the approach you advocate since the 1950s?

See? Quasi-religious.


No that's incorrect - what would be quasi religious and similar to this obsession with Vietnam would be for me or someone else to use North Korea's economic isolation as an example in the same strong fashion.

I'd encourage you to re-read my comment to see how I drew that distinction.


How’s that working against Russia?

Pretty well I think? Are you up to date with the Russian economic situation? Or are you suggesting the EU and US stop sanctions since they aren't effective?

> What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed

We can all agree on your opening.


> if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news

??

What does this even mean? It seems to come out of nowhere. Is it a reference to some event??


It's roughly how many Americans died in September 11.

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