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I think he means 'classical'as in class based. Just like you'd refer to 'classical' inheritance.


You might be right - I've never heard 'classical' used in that way, interesting!


You're both right — it's intended to be a slightly ambiguous low-key pun :)


What if the reason why that person left had nothing to do with the work environment?

Right now I'm a bit worried about leaving my current job (10 months in) because I have the opportunity to go backpacking through South America with a friend, which I honestly believe is not something that comes up very often.

Anyways I was just wondering how a manager might react to my situation once I come back and start looking for a job again. Could it impact my professional profile in a negative way?


I think that's one of the problems with traditional resumes/CVs. They focus on work experiences, and not the entirety of your experiences - work/social/etc.

Because here is what leaving a job to go backpacking tells me: You are willing to take risks when the opportunities present themselves. The unknown (will I find a job later) doesn't scare you. You value learning about other places/cultures, which will give you perspectives other people might not get (let's be real, 2 weeks in a resort hotel on vacation does not teach you about another country's culture).

If you can honestly translate your backpacking experience into qualities that a company would look for, you'll have no problem. In fact, you should probably explain that in your cover letter to potential employers anyway.


> Because here is what leaving a job to go backpacking tells me: You are willing to take risks when the opportunities present themselves. The unknown (will I find a job later) doesn't scare you. You value learning about other places/cultures, which will give you perspectives other people might not get (let's be real, 2 weeks in a resort hotel on vacation does not teach you about another country's culture).

That's certainly a valid way to look at it, but another employer might look at it as, "I don't want to hire this guy and then 3-6 months from now he decides he wants to chase butterflies in Mexico and is going to leave me high and dry mid-project."

It goes both ways. Now I wouldn't personally look at it that way, but I can see where someone might.


Thanks! those are very encouraging words.

Well honestly I am a bit scared about the job situation when I come back but I do think that I have more to gain by going on a backpacking experience at this time of my life than staying another 6 months / 1 year at my current job as a developer..

Web dev moves really fast though! hopefully it won't be crazy different when I get back.


Remember that hardly anyone's last words on their death bed are "I wish I had spent more time at work." You're young and early in your career. You have many professional opportunities ahead of you no matter what you choose here.

On the other hand, personal opportunities like this don't come along very often. I've known a few friends and family do something big like this in their 20s, and without exception they have had amazing experiences and no serious regrets in the long term, even if settling back in when they first came home wasn't entirely easy.

Only you can weigh up the pros and cons in your personal situation, but as long as you're being financially sensible and you're not damaging your current employer unreasonably by leaving so soon, I think it is extremely unlikely that you'll do any serious or permanent damage to your career if you decide to go.

By the way, web dev doesn't really move very fast. If you stick with it as a career then some time over the next 10-20 years you'll come to realise that the fundamentals actually evolve very slowly. The illusion of rapid change is mostly perpetuated by blogs and online forums and conferences that always want the next big thing to talk about, but they're mostly just talking about superficial things like which tool or framework to use. If you decide to go then nothing that really matters in web dev is going to have shifted so far in a few months that you can't catch up very quickly when you get back.


It gets much, much harder the later in life you get (and even after retire, you just can't travel/live the way you did when you were young). Some get lucky and can swing remote work while living in another country for a bit, but that's an exception to the rule and isn't always steady.

Also, if a future company didn't understand why you went on this trip, it's likely that they wouldn't fit well with your personality at some other point anyway. So you might be better off not getting sucked into that kind of place anyway.

So go on the trip and mostly worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Just make sure you have enough money saved that when you get back you'll be able to afford the 1-3 months a job search and potential relocation can take/cost.


Probably not, if you wrap up your current obligations in a professional manner and can demonstrate that you haven't lost your skills while on your trip. You don't want to appear irresponsible, so just be responsible about it. I hope that you have fun!


Probably not, if you wrap up your current obligations in a professional manner and can demonstrate that you haven't lost your skills while on your trip.

I strongly agree with this. We're talking about hiring human beings, not machines, and someone with the character traits that would make you go adventuring for an extended period probably has a lot to offer, other things being equal. The challenge is demonstrating that other things have not suffered as a result of that choice.

For example, a good reference from the last employer confirming that everything was professionally handed over before leaving might go a long way to mitigating concerns about only working there for a few months. I'm not generally a big believer in relying on references when hiring, but in a case like this, that sort of specific detail could be an important asset. Given the relatively short professional career so far, I would also be tempted to work a brief mention of this point into the covering letter or, if it's a resume-only application next time, into the resume itself.


Thanks! it was a tough decision to make but now that I've made up my mind I'm very happy about it.


Caveat: don't make major life decisions based solely on advice from random strangers. All I'm saying is that I would be fine if I saw "backpacked South America" filling a gap on a resume.


As others have pointed out, everything depends on context. Did you have several under-1-year stints prior to the current job? That might indicate a trend. One-offs generally will be asked about, but not counted against you.


This is my second "serious" job after I graduated Uni. I lasted 2 years on the first one and I'm currently at 10 months on my actual job. Hopefully it looks stable enough.


I wouldn't worry about it.


a) as a hiring manager I consider job hopping having 2 or more jobs of under ~8 months.

b) if I interviewed you and you explained the backpacking thing I would wonder and ask why you didn't take a leave of absence or some such, but I wouldn't hold it against you.


If you like the company you are at and do good work, perhaps you can negotiated some unpaid time off.


what about an unpaid leave?

if they cant manage that, that is a great red flag when you need to explain your quit.


Can you ask for an unpaid leave?


Maybe I could, but on a trip like this there isn't an exact return date and I'd like to not have one in mind, weather it lasts 4 months or 6 or more.


I like it, I think there's a real use case for it. I spent quite some time looking for examples on how to create an schema for an activity based workflow webapp.


Seriously? Cause I had this small 'hand in' kind of project in my hands and saw it as a good opportunity to teach myself Rails. My daily job involves .NET development but that's not very exciting and learning something new was probably the most motivating thing when I accepted the offer. So your comment makes me feel kind of worried about my decision to go with Rails.


If you end up more than a version behind in Rails and your project is sizable, you're in for a special version of hell. Especially if you develop on Mac OS X, the dependency issues with things like libxml2 are especially painful.


See my reply to bryanlarsen... If there is no plan for skilled maintenance down the line then I always refer clients to hosted services like wordpress.com or squarespace. I used to do a lot of custom sites a decade ago with a mix of raw PHP, Drupal, Wordpress and Rails. Honestly it's all turned into a maintenance nightmare for people who didn't have "a guy" to call (I couldn't be this guy anymore after I joined my current startup). If you were determined to go down the custom route then I don't necessarily think Rails was wrong, but just that your client needs to understand up front that this will run for some amount of time and then inevitably need maintenance.


Yeah I'm in a similar situation as in I can be 'the guy' for now but eventually they'll need to find another developer to maintain the app. But what could have been a decent alternative for a webapp + db setup? I don't think wordpress is suitable for that kind of project.


Wordpress I consider to be the worst of the worst because A) it's a constant target of attacks and B) the hosted version at wordpress.com is much less headache (if you don't need heavy customizations).

The good news is that Rails is now mature, so the upgrade path tends to be easier than it was in the early days.


Ohh wow this looks very nice. Unfortunately I can't login for some reason.

So I am actually finishing the development of a similar system for a group of anesthesiologists that needed a custom app to keep track of their patients and their pain medication.

Had I known of this project before I would have actually considered contributing/forking it to handle their use cases. See this hits pretty close home since I'm Colombian and hospitals here have terribly outdated systems.

I love the idea of the app working offline and syncing when internet is available since mobile networks here aren't verye reliable. One problem is,as others have mentioned, having it work on mobile is very important. I don't think it really is because of lack of PCs and desktops it's just that doctors are always running all over the place and it's more convienent for them to log the information on a smartphone/tablet.

Anyways my next project is also on the medical field and will have a wider scope so I'll keep an eye on this project for when the time comes, I'd love to contribute eventually.


Can you do this sort of thing in Coinbase?


Ah this is the reason why I hate that my workplace blocks gaming websites.


I used to work for those sorts of companies.

I fired them because I'm a mature professional who can figure out how best to utilize my time, TYVM.

Find a company that people actually enjoy coming to work and collaborating in. I mean, if you're an engineer, you're already doing the #1 job in the country, why poison the well at a company with a mistrustful IT policy?

Sorry but I have no end of disrespect for that kind of bullshit. If you're at a job and you're jerking around, people will eventually figure it out regardless of stupid content filtering. And in this case, this is a lost learning experience for you, as the article is very interesting.


Look for a new job. Engineers are in high demand, you can find a place that doesn't treat you like a child.


Here's a snapshot that might work for you: https://archive.is/CFboh


Is there a release date for Foundation 6? I'm just starting a new project with 5 and I'd love to upgrade to 6 if it's coming out within the next month.


So you've had a positive experience with Semantic-UI? I'm about to start a project and I'm considering Semantic-UI or Foundation. I like the defaults on Semantic a bit more but I think Semantic 2.0 is about to come out so Foundation might be the safer choice right now.


I used to be a big fan of Foundation but they kind of lost me, everything changed a lot and I don't really know where they are at now. What I know is that the default design is ugly and that's why I keep using bootstrap for my projects.

I can say I have a positive experience with semantic since I'm only using that now. But I'm very lost and it feels like it could take a long time to learn. Although you can start using it the same as you use bootstrap, include the css and js as CDN and here you go.


I used semantic-ui for a very short period of time before moving back to bootstrap (needed to support ie8). My impression was that it is very hard to overwrite semantic classes (selectors are too specific), and components don't play that well together, especially if you're modifying some of them.


it doesn't look like it is the semantic way. You are supposed to theme everything and then compile.


It's also how we denote the people of a certain region in Colombia. I don't think it's related though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Region


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