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Benn Jordan has a video about the issues data centers can pose to their local communities. The xAI data centers are actively polluting their communities right now and there are several credible articles about it. Ruining normal people’s lives and the environment for “progress” against another country is extremely short sighted.

Seems to be working well for China. They do all the “undesirables” that we can’t possibly have in our country. Primarily to push products we can’t live without.

They are getting wealthy off absorbing those externalities that come from production of consumer goods while we watch “Oww! My balls!” and drink Brawndo!

So are they (China) shortsighted? Or are they slowly winning in global influence?


You need to remember one is investing heavily in clean energy and expanding its capacity rapidly and the other one is not.

and the xAI data centers are uniquely dirty and polluting because they don't have sufficient grid connectivity and are running on generator 24x7.

This isn't a problem for the vast majority of datacenters, and won't become a larger problem unless the anti-civilization mindset blocks infrastructure investment that's eventually needed even if the datacenter isn't built.


As far as I can tell the xAI data centers are the absolute worst data centers for local impact and pollution.

I have diagnosed adhd (since I was a child) and something I struggled with, which may be relevant to you, is that it can be really easy to tell yourself or believe you have a limited capacity to focus and later in the day you just run out. The idea that you can’t start doing a hobby because you don’t have the capacity to focus on something is untrue a lot of the time, and it’s noticeable in a situation where if you do really mentally taxing fulfilling hard work, sometimes you feel much more capable of doing those hobbies, because the same “focus” for one isn’t exactly the same as the other.

Not saying you’re wrong for feeling that way, just sharing a way of thinking that helped me out a lot


It would be terrible, I don’t think you’re thinking about what kinds of discrimination can happen due to things like medical records. You can have laws in place to prevent it but if someone can freely see your entire medical history then people WILL take advantage of that. Not to mention how things like citizens traveling to states where abortion is legal, or if a parent disagrees with an operation could affect someone if things are public. This is only talking about medical records, too, the implications of other kinds of espionage have significant repercussions as well. Cybersecurity absolutely does matter


Actually you're right, upon reflection the medical records example is a terrible one, given the proclivities of many governments and/or vindictive mobs. Although the greater issue here is that there exists governments that care about abortions, and the fact people accept living under their reign one way or another. Unfortunately those government are often in positions of power to figure this out and punish individuals no matter what.

And I'd just like to underline the fact that this is truly a devil's advocate position, not something I'd argue strongly for.

But for the LLM training data company, does that leak matter? I guess that depends on your stance about AI proliferation and safety. But if you don't it's at worst a boost for open source LLMs. Rockstar? A great deal of hard work has surely gone into GTA-6 between all the union busting but, but it hardly matters for humanity what particular game people use to entertain themselves. And the medical device company, although the wipe part is truly just senseless destruction, actually might benefit humanity more if a few bootleg factories of their products appear.

Many of these are very stretched scenarios. But for instance in the case of espionage, the problem is not the fact that people are spying, the problem is that there is a war. And the more nefarious regimes tend to depend more on secrecy and lies in order to perpetuate themselves. If total transparency was applied to all governments equally, most democracies would be positively affected. The problem is not the leakage of the Epstein files. It's that this kind of activity could occur in secret and remained covered up.


It was extremely likely a tomahawk missile which Israel do not use. It was almost certainly the US. There are many many journalists who have written about it


what are you talking about? Valve has advanced wine lightyears since jumping into linux with the steam machines years ago, and their wine patches have lead to countless forks that people use for better compatibility. Wine was terrible before valve stepped into the linux space


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