i’m not trying to dismiss this article entirely as i did get value around from discussion around verifying

but this coming from a VC firm invested in token producing companies and quoting the “genius” behind openclaw makes me think this is just an psyop of over engineering to get ppl to blindly spend tokens on the LLM slot machine

Not really; looping is a requirement when there's an imperfect generator: LLMs. I read the article some days ago and included the citation in my own.

For a longer explanation why, here's mine:

https://memseek.ai/blog/the-loop-has-always-been-there/

ps: not affiliated with a16 or similar

Put another token in the slop machine!

i have unlimited tokens being a large corp so i’m a bit detached from billing and even general best practices for promoting

but the incentives of these companies to become profitable at any cost slipping into entire new types of dark patterns around token based billing seems gross

- charging for injected prompts and cot tokens

- changing default thinking effort to be higher

- training models to give longer winded answers that don’t say anything more of substance

- refusing to fulfill a request and still charging you

i wonder if you could ever just charge based of each user message and it so how breaks even across short and long replies

i’m sure everyone replying to this thread has a level headed and unbiased assessment of themselves

That's what makes us so smart!

substack has devolved into the same thing. opening the app first thing you see if a infinite scroll of twitter like takes

and i honestly would rather have a reddit lite site like hacker news where there appears to be at least a diversity of opinion than the pseudo-intellectualization cjing occurring among the exact same sort of AI cockgobblers on LW

> and i honestly would rather have a reddit lite site like hacker news where there appears to be at least a diversity of opinion

Why? Isn't that available on literally every single other tech comment section on the Internet? Like what distinguishes these angry comments from the ones on Techcrunch or Ars or Reddit subs that tolerate AI? If I wanted mindless diversity I'd just have the LLM generate random perspectives.

and how does the public view AI tech workers?

if you’re visiting major cities and need basic clothing you’re probably shopping at the some of the same name brand outlets or lines

But you will have a much better idea what to buy, when you have first-hand experience with the weather and are surrounded by locals who are adequately prepared.

interesting how much overlap onebagging has with ultralight backpacking

first sentence is one step from outright discrimination even if not everyone recognizes it. if you’re visibly transgender/queer, have noticeable accent, visible disability, and on and on and on

That was ment as an observation, not an encouragement to apply this.

Some of the discrimination against trans people might have a similar reason, after all they drastically break with standards.

I was a badly groomed, overweight nerd. I started working out and taking care of my appearance and people started to treat me different.

It probably is zero steps from outright discrimination, but it matches my estimation of how humans actually behave.

I read it as a “is” statement not an “ought to be” statement.

    > have noticeable accent

It is weird that you picked this example. HN is dominated by folks working in technology. Depending upon where you work, a large minority of your co-workers probably have a "noticeable accent". Do you really think it still matters in 2026? I am forever trying to tell non-native English speakers who are concerned that their accent makes them sound dumb: For educated native English speakers, we don't care about your accent; we care about what you are saying.

Yes different accents carry different things subconsciously.

Can you provide some specific examples that affect you or others around you?

Yeah. If I see a guy with a posh british accent im going to think subconciously that he is smarter than the guy with the scuffed british accent.

idk have you ever driven in boston?

Isn't the urban core of Boston remarkably walkable compared to the suburbs?

https://www.walkscore.com/MA/Boston

i’m in the US, if you took a call for more than a few mins a busy metro car I’d tell you to knock it off

My dad speaks loudly on speakerphone phones in restaurants and public spaces daily because he's a rude old asshole.

No one beside myself has ever told him to stop because I think being old gives one a bit of a 'get out of jail free card ' with regard to social behaviors.

I would love for you or someone like you to happen upon him and tell him to knock it off, but alas that seems fleetingly rare.

What would he do if I would tell him to knock it off? Wouldn't he just yell at me making the situation worse than it was to begin with?

People talk on the phone all the time on every US metro I’ve tried. Seems fine if they’re not on speaker or raising their voice

Unfortunately, these days, most of us won't do that because there is a high likelihood it could incite violence.

and inciting violence is against the law.