Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | Sajarin's commentslogin

They have a bit more info on their announcement blog post[0]

> Belfort today released the "so far" CIFAR demo, an encrypted implementation of ResNet-20, a popular model for image classification. It outperforms recent SOTA by 3x with a total latency of less than 200ms

Not many details on how they've done this, so I'm a bit skeptical. Fast HE is a holy grail.

> Belfort's image classification is built on top of its upcoming GPU library, Cyclops. It comes with several optimizations that make Cyclops extremely fast on Encrypted AI workloads.

Looks like a lead up to an upcoming library release

[0] https://belfortlabs.com/blog/sofar


Indeed, we have our own library, Cyclops. We will share more about it soon :)


Just blogged about this here[0] but at least they're not doing the usual canned PR response surrounding this.

Folks are already building on top of it:

thedavidweng/gork-build[1] — rebrand grok→"gork", stripped vendor telemetry, opt-out-only data retention, blocks x.ai auto-update. A "VSCodium-style privacy fork."

DigiGoon/digi-grok-build[2] — "dgrok" multi-provider CLI, builds from source instead of x.ai CDN.

victor-software-house/open-grok[3] — "opened to every provider."

LukaMucko/grok-build[4] — extra_body support for provider-specific request fields.

RapidAI/grok-build-desktop[5] — Tauri desktop GUI client.

mazdak/grok-build[6] — theming (Catppuccin).

thomas9120/grok-build-archival[7] — Windows telemetry-disable script.

saqoah/grok-build[8] — Kotlin MemoryBackend.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48928913

[1] https://github.com/thedavidweng/gork-build

[2] https://github.com/DigiGoon/digi-grok-build

[3] https://github.com/victor-software-house/open-grok

[4] https://github.com/LukaMucko/grok-build

[5] https://github.com/RapidAI/grok-build-desktop

[6] https://github.com/mazdak/grok-build

[7] https://github.com/thomas9120/grok-build-archival

[8] https://github.com/saqoah/grok-build


Thank you Sajarin mentioning my Gork-Build fork, I wanted to address some of the comments.

I agree that many of the responses in the comments are valid. It is a harsh reality that 80% of projects like this fail to gain traction and eventually fade away. However, I believe the significance of such a fork lies more in its existence as a statement. Regarding xAI, even if their current release of Grok has telemetry disabled by default, Zero Data Retention remains a feature exclusive to enterprise users rather than individuals. And Whole-repo research packaging is still controlled by their server-side settings; it isn't an option you can toggle within the software itself.

I am currently implementing more fences to prevent unnecessary data from being uploaded, in terms of long-term maintenance, one person certainly cannot build something on the scale of VSCodium, but I have drawn a lot of inspiration from that project. In the future, I want to automate Gork-Build further by turning these privacy protections and guardrails into patches. These could then be applied to new upstream Grok-Buil versions as they are released.

As for whether this project can become a daily driver for everyone, I don't think that is the primary concern. If you need a open source coding agent, you should definitely use Pi or OpenCode, there is absolute no necessity to use Grok-Build for non xAI models in the first place. But again I think its existence is vital. People need companies that demonstrate a truly open attitude and coding agents that are genuinely friendly to the open-source community, and while xAI's decision to open-source Grok-build was a great move, it isn't a community-maintained or community-built project. It remains a public snapshot of their internal monorepo, and they have disabled issues and pull requests. This is precisely why a fork like https://github.com/thedavidweng/gork-build needs to exist.


Nice, [3] reminded me of OpenGrok † the old Sun project that was basically LXR on steroids.

https://oracle.github.io/opengrok/


These are all pointless forks, they will die in a year.

Bookmark this and check back.


Honestly. Some LLM enthusiasts throwing an agent at making a fork doesn't mean anyone is invested in this


That doesn’t mean they won’t be, or that the forks won’t be good.


all those youtube videos people upload nowadays aren't worth it, we already have keyboardcat (^ basically telling ppl creativity is done with, don't bother)


The parent comment is just pointing out that LLM written forks pushed out within hours of a “buzzy” repo release on GitHub are a pretty useless signal for gauging actual adoption/interest.

Which is, IMO, accurate based on the state of the AI dev space in 2026. Stars/forks drafting off the hype from a well known name are constantly gamed for eyeballs/personal brand-building courtesy of free advertising via the Github UI when the only cost is a few sentence prompt and some tokens.


I forgot the /s ;-)


While I'm sure most of them will die, there will certainly be 1 or 2 that the community rallies behind


Why when they can just fork it and improve it on their own with AI?


Maintaining a fork costs you mental space, time and energy, even if someone else (i.e. AI) can reliably do all the work. (In my experience they're not quite there yet.)


Subsidized tokens aren’t forever & local models might not compete with an entire team of volunteers, I’d guess.


I've been contemplating that recently. You're of course correct that subsidized tokens won't be forever, but that might only be half the story, since there's two opposing forces in action:

1. Phasing out of subsidized tokens.

2. Token prices being brought down through scaling, better hardware, etc.

It's possible that these might balance each other out sufficiently that token customers won't notice any substantial increase in price.


> local models might

That was yesterday's "LLMs might". Time passes. Nothing stays the same. "Local models might" X Y or Z today has no influence on the limitations of tomorrow's local models except to remove them. Yesterday's LLMs are the exact same thing, except your computer is connected to their local model for you to use.

Disc drives used to be measured in megabytes—now in terabytes. Technically useful tend to get more optimized with time, not less.


Even if they are subsidized forever and local models do compete, its still better to have 100 people improving it rather than 1.


Unsubsidised token prices that people would actually pay for is a fantasy.


why spend my tokens on it if someone else already did?


Or maybe Grok Build will implement some of these changes and render them obsolete.


What flashcard app are you using? Anki?


I use both actually. Anki for the reviews since the spaced repetition is hard to beat, but I use Norsha Notes (norshanotes.com) to generate the cards. You upload your notes or study material and it creates flashcards from them using AI, then you can export as .apkg and import straight into Anki. Saves a ton of time over making cards manually.


I had used Anki for a few years but recently migrated all my cards out of it and into a custom app I built just a few months ago. It is as an Elixir/Phoenix app with a simple UI but also with a rich API for Agent integration.


Any chance you might consider open sourcing this?


You can turn it off, there's a little toggle at the bottom of the page.



People aren't good at detecting AI generated/edited comments, so unsure how effective this policy will be. Though I guess there are still some obvious signs of AI speak like emdashes and sycophantic (it's not X, it's Y!) speech.

Bit of a shameless plug but I wrote a HN AI comment detector game[0] with AI and most of my friends and fellow HN users who tried it out couldn't detect them.

[0]: https://psychosis.hn/

[1]: https://sajarin.com/blog/psychosis/


Something I've noticed through moderation is that people are much more easily duped by generated comments if they like the content and/or agree with the point. We've seen several cases where a bot-generated comment has been heavily upvoted and sits at the top of the thread for hours, and any comments calling it out for being generated languish at the bottom of the subthread below other enthusiastic, heavily upvoted replies. This shouldn't be surprising, given what we've seen of LLM chatbots being tuned to be sycophantic, but it's interesting to see it in effect on HN.

This is another reason why it's good to email us (hn@ycombinator.com) rather than commenting when you see generated comments.


Do you have reason to believe that you have a reliable way in these cases of determining whether the comment is generated?


Having been reading generated comments almost daily for over three years now, I have a pretty good sense of it. There's a bunch of signals: how new the account is; how the comments look visually (the capitalization and layout of the paragraphs, particularly when all of one user's comments are displayed in a list). Em-dashes and short, emphatic sentences, make it more obvious of course.

There are cases that are more borderline; usually when someone has used a translation service or has used an LLM to polish up a comment they wrote themselves. For these ones there's less certainty, and whilst we discourage them, we're not as rigid in our aversion to them or as eager to ban accounts that do it.

But ones that are entirely generated are still pretty easy to spot, even just from visual appearance.


> HN AI comment detector game

Looks cool, but how exactly do you gather proven-to-be human comments?

I think it would be better if you used pre-ChatGPT (Nov 30 2022, I think?) stories.


I appreciate the restraint in not calling your game "AIdle".


It’s certainly hard to detect in isolation, but the thing that gives it away is the comment history.

All the AI acounts I’ve seen repeatedly post the exact same cookie cutter top-level comments over and over again. Typically some vapid observation followed by an obviously forced question serving as engagement bait. The paragraphs and sentence structure even looks visually similar across comments when you scroll down the history page.

Just look at a few of these accounts and you’ll easily be able to recognize AI posts on your own.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=naomi_kynes https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=aplomb1026 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=decker_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=CloakHQ https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=coolcoder9520 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ptak_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=oliver_dr https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=agent5ravi https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yuyuqueen https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=entrustai https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=coder_decoder https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mergisi https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=JEONSEWON https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=devonkelley https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=iam_circuit https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=robotmem https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=RovaAI https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ajstars https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=priowise https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Yanko_11 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=zacklee-aud https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=shablulman https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=octoclaw https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=zacklee1988 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=bhekanik https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=webpolis https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=claud_ia https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=david_iqlabs https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yamarldfst https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=julius_eth_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=vexnull https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=idorozin


> obvious signs of AI speak like emdashes

Some of us were trained/self taught to write that way. Even "it's not X, it's Y" is a legitimate and subjectively effective communication tool, and there are those of us who either by training modeling have picked it up as a habit. It's not Ai that started this, Ai learned it from us.

Crap - I just did it, didn't I? Awww double crap! Did it again...


Forums and comments are not written as formal novels or text. Corporate-speak is also not typically used in these environments unless you are representing corporate.

So I think it's fine to scrutinize commenters who write that way.

Besides, the biggest offense of AI speak is making everything seem like a grand epiphany and revolutionary discovery. Aka engagement bait.


Shameless plug but made a similar tree here: https://sajarin.com/blog/modeltree/


Thanks, that's way more useful to me.

Allow me to contribute:

> Magistral: Magist(rate) + stral? Mag(nificent) + stral? Nobody knows.

That's just French for "masterful" or a way to describe lectures. There's a sense of greatness in that word that contrasts with the Mini in Ministral which is in turn might be a pun on "ménestrel" (minstrel), "ministre" (minister), or made to sound like Minitel (or all of the above).


This is great, I found it much more interesting to view this tree vs. the timeline alone.


psychosis.hn is a daily game. Every day we fetch three stories from a previous front page of HN, each with 5-7 AI comments threaded into the discussion. They have personas, reply to real people, and sometimes have real comments reparented underneath them.


I've got to say, that's pretty damn good, and pretty damn scary.


Seconded. I scored 0, missing all the bots and falsely marking some real human comments.


Wish this post got more of a response, so thanks so much for giving it a try! Hope it was at least fun (and maybe a bit horrifying) :)


Responses (well, all engagement) are a lottery*, so don't let it get you down. :)

* See e.g. mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ben_w


Sonnet numbering has been weirder in the past.

Opus 3.5 was scrapped even though Sonnet 3.5 and Haiku 3.5 were released.

Not to mention Sonnet 3.7 (while Opus was still on version 3)

Shameless source: https://sajarin.com/blog/modeltree/


I like this tree visualization! The background with little squares is making the text difficult to read, though.


Thanks for the feedback friend, updated to make it (hopefully) a little easier to read!


Thanks, that means a lot! Let me know if you have any feedback or suggestions, I would love to work on any improvements :)


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: