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In that example they probably do view the median customer as a random peon, or not far from it…

And unless you are above the 99th percentile of the customerbase… that’d probably be a correct guess?

Heck they could directly write “You Peons!” and still probably retain most of their customer base… if the price to performance ratio was sufficiently better than the next best competitor.

Most people care so little about the refinement of anything else nowadays.


I doubt you have to be above 100 IQ to roll your eyes at obvious bullshit.

This proves too much. As it would imply parrots have sapiencee.

Why do you think that parrots do not have sapience? How would one even measure such a thing?

Because by definition, sapience is something only humans have. Ergo, parrots are not sapient.

More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.”


You're confused about the etymology. Homo Sapiens was coined in the 1800s. People have been saying "sapient" since the 1300s, and it is rooted from the Latin word "sapientem" which simply means "sensible; shrewd, knowing, discrete". Homo Sapiens just means "wise human", and we humbly bestowed the name upon ourselves.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/sapient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Etymology_and_definition


> More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.” True. For me, the actual interesting debate is not if LLMs are intelligent or not (easy to dismiss) but to what extent LLMs embed into our socio-techno-economic reality.

You make people sound like they are semi-automatons?

Well the obvious solution is to prevent accounts not using a real name or registered organization name from being recovered.

Wait… why did you continue trusting them for there to be a second time?

If they didn’t care at all about your instructions the first time?


Isn’t this obvious?

Over half of HN commentators visibly struggle to piece 3 or more complex ideas together.

How could anyone, who spent more than 30 minutes reading HN, expect otherwise?


HackerNews is social media and this is just representative of social media as a whole.

Critical thinking is at an all time low to start with but even if you attempt to think critically while using social media you cannot do it constantly. This is one of the problems with social media as a whole. You might notice one thing is not quite right and discard it but you cant do that constantly and eventually you will absorb one of the 15 posts or comments.


Well population grew significantly so it’s a bigger decline in per capita terms.

Notably this was even though AI systems got decent enough, supposedly, to do simple tasks and answer simple questions correctly.


That's not true. The population shrunk in the first quarter, so the GDP actually grew by 0.2% on a per capita basis.

Oh yes once you include non permanent residents the total number has gone down.

Don’t they supposedly have a huge amount of EU support?

Or at least there’s been a lot of noise about that.


I wouldn't be surprised if each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU. Chinese firms are a more interesting comparison since there are a fair amount of great models there, and it's estimated about 15% of the ai relevant compute is in China versus maybe 5% in the EU under European companies (and 70% ish in the US is the most common ballpark I see)

I think you are underestimating the amount of compute the US frontier labs have access to.

So, more than 70% of the compute on earth?

More than 5%, I assume. From the combination of "5% in the EU under European companies" and "each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU"

I dont't think that was meant to be implied: the EU actually has access to more GPUs than those hosted by European companies in Europe, just as US labs have access to GPUs hosted outside the US


They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays.

Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.


The chinese labs manage to do it. Mistral should have enough money.

The EU has intentional structural hurdles to pouring money into a predetermined single company. Both hurdles meant to fight corruption and nepotism, and hurdles meant to ensure fairness between the member states. After all, money to Mistral is money to France too, and you don't want countries to abuse such mechanisms

It's not impossible, but China is just much better set up for the nessesary level of government support


China is a way more corrupt country but this might be a benefit of less rules.

China has cheap coal powered electricity and leaders that make things happen. Europe has beaureaucrats that only love talking, high taxes and expensive energy.

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You think they're intentionally being bad because they can't manage to pump $65B into a startup on a whim...?

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What claims are you talking about?

I've never heard or read anything about the EU planning on investing money in Mistral. They're a private company. They're French. It honestly sounds kind of absurd.


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No, we want you to backup your claims and provide sources or stop adding pointless low effort anti-EU noise to the conversation. It's frustrating, any time there's any kind of discussion about anything European on HN it gets flooded with shallow, low effort "EU-bad" posts like your contributions here.

If you're going to make that claim at least put some effort in.


This is a mostly American forum and some people want to piss on the EU to elevate themselves. Europeans do the same to the US but about politics, health care, work life balance, and quality of life. You know, the stuff that matters :D

Or maybe they’re just poor.

It's a bit strange, but a huge handout from the EU/France and a huge AI lab investment round are different orders of magnitude. The necessary sums are just not politically possible. How do you sell spending the equivalent of ten USS Gerald Fords on a start-up? You don't.

And a lot of the "funding" is through mutual deals with MSFT, Nvidia, etc. The Europeans have none of that and would need to pay in actual cash.

There is no way messenger features or functionality is changing that much year over year.

It’s almost entirely bloat.


Yeah it’s seriously shady to not disclose it at the beginning of the piece.

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