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Not a nice disease to get. Ranks up there with glioblastoma multiforme, advanced oesophageal cancer and advanced duodenal cancer.

I am aggressive and investigate aggressively to detect pancreatic cancer early. One even had a Whipple procedure (pancreaticoduodenectomy ), since I detected it so early.

Despite that, the longest anyone I diagnosed has lived has only been 8 months.

Sad, they were all nice people.


> glioblastoma multiforme

Killed my dad the same year he retired. Really stuck with me about how important living for today is.


Stock up on toilet paper before the price goes through the roof !!!!!

Get enough for a year for a family.

400 rolls would be a good start.

Act now and save money.


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I would estimate that 90% of software developers I have spoken to lack basic statistical understanding. Basic concepts like kurtosis, skewness, moments, the core Greeks all seem to be alien concepts to most.

> Basic concepts like kurtosis, skewness

You can probably lead a decent life without understanding kurtosis and skewness. You probably can’t if you don’t understand when a normal distribution applies.


WARNING AI HYPE

AI HYPE

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When the inevitable trials of the Trump administration and it's agents occurs...

We should ask Germany to let us hold the trials in Nuremberg.


The US doesn’t recognize the ICC and has sanctioned its members. What makes you think anything will come of this unless nuclear bombs are dropped and the sitting president puts a bullet in his own head because he doesn’t want to be captured and tortured by encroaching Soviet troops?

Xiaomi also make amazing cars.

"WSJ

I Test Drove a Chinese EV. Now I Don't Want to Buy American Cars Anymore.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/chinese-ev-test-drive...

"


My last car and my current one, both are from china (BYD, Xiaomi). these chinese brands really went very far compared to the rest of the world

China is hungry in a way others aren't. It is driving them to push far harder and faster because of this. Don't know it will be sustainable long term but it looks good now.

Tech/feature wise it's not even close between Chinese cars and the rest of the world.

No idea about reliability or anything else but just as pure tech demos they seem incredible.


The one thing I have heard form mechanics is that cars from BYD seem to has better than expected manufacturing and engineering. They haven't cut corners were you would expect for the price. Not sure how the electrics will hold a decade into the future but but they have good bones.

There was a lot of hype about the SU7. They killed it with pre-orders. But their target for the year at 550K isn't gonna happen as they're sold about a 180k so far this year.

Due to lack of demand or lack of production capacity?

Neither. The SU7 originally came out in 2024, but word got out that it would get a refresh this year. The updated version officially launched on March 19. Shortly after, Xiaomi unveiled its new YU7 SUV, prompting some potential buyers to reconsider.

I don't want buy American cars either. European, Korean or Japanese are the way to go.

Odd to list things in reverse order.

NGL I am a sucker for German cars.

The CEO of Ford directly said if Chinese EVs are allowed into the US it will be the end of US auto manufacturing.

They know they are inferior, and choose not to compete, just lobby for more regulations to keep competitors out. Free market, haha.


China is nowhere near “free market”. Their EV sector received more government subsidies in the last 15 years than the entire U.S. automobile market since inception. The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry.

250 billion in EV subsidies from China. 10 billion by the U.S.


> The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry.

Didn't Tesla essentially stay afloat for years via government subsidies (e.g. government-mandated carbon credits)?

Didn't the US only recently end its direct subsidies for EV buyers?

Don't US taxpayers provide an enormous ongoing subsidy to ICE vehicles by underwriting the security of the oilfields in the Gulf?

Don't US taxpayers in effect subsidize US automakers by ensuring they do not have to compete in the market with the best available vehicles?

More to the point: American free-marketeerism was never about the other side, it was about the US living its own professed values at home. We didn't shackle our press in discussions about the USSR because the USSR chose to shackle its own press. Our lockout of Chinese EVs rankles in part because it's a deviation, at home, from our own professed values.


Carbon credits where open to any companies, so it wasn't a unfair subsidy.

EV incentives where also not limited to us companies.


Every country distorts its markets in different ways. It's still silly to pretend the US is free of these kinds of distortions.

That's just whataboutism that ignores the order of magnitude scale differences of the subsidies that were provided in China in the original comment.

It's really not. No serious analysis reduces the complexity of markets to a single number in a single sector. In particular, it takes willful blindness to look at subsidies in the EV market and ignore other energy markets.

You're also ignoring the most important point, my last point about values. The comment is still up, feel free to re-read it.


This is a false equivalence.

Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies.

The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion.

China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same.

Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.


Just to be clear, that 250 billion is for 15 years and 400 billion is the current per-year number.

The subsidies were around 25% of sales in 2018 and have dropped down to about 10%.

And of that 250 billion, half is a sales tax exemption and a quarter is purchase rebates. That bulk of the money doesn't lead to unfair competition.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dil...


That's the point I guess, it is not binary, but proponents of absolute free markets see it as binary when they are against regulations, and as non-binary, when it is about competition from abroad. They want to have it both ways.

This is false equivalence.

Direct producer subsidies for PRC EV was <100B, less than US injected into US auto, not much more than Euro auto. The latter just poorly, i.e. pork barrel / jobs programs that does not raise baseline competitiveness.

Most of CSIS muh PRC 200b-400b includes rebates/taxes AND subsidies to upstream, i.e. battery industry which used more than cars. AKA they bundled energy sector to skew PRC numbers.

For comparable you'd have to include all historic US/EU auto subsidies, AND ASSOCIATED upstream subsidies like MOST OF fossil industry, related diesel/fuel discounts... etc etc in which case US/EU have been rebating to the tune of trillions.

Strict auto-auto sector equivalence = PRC subsidized less to commoditize their car industry in fraction of time, which is not remotely "overproduction", they still barely exports 20%... they'd have to export 50/75%+ to reach shares of EU/JP/SKR etc and even then those absurd export%s not treated as overproduction. PRC would need to be exporting ~20m more cars then they do now to even qualify.

Auto+energy sector equivalence (the 200-400b figure), PRC not even on the axis in equivalence scenario.

E:cleaner language



> dishonest to say it’s the same.

I literally didn't say that it was?

In any case, the point is that the US also subsidizes markets, including the auto markets. China is far from unique in this. As you say, free market capitalism isn't binary, and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.


> I literally didn’t say that it was?

> and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.

Textbook false equivalence.


You seem to understand the meaning of "to some degree" differently than I. To me it implies that subsidies can happen at different amounts, not that they are all the same.

What is an equivalence here is, that the binary flag of "does subsidize" is true, and that equivalence holds.


The US auto industry is also subsidized by all aspects of American life requiring a car outside of NYC and a few big cities.

That's an interesting point actually. Most places in China and even quite rural ones are livable and reachable via public transport including trains. Most of their big cities are very convenient to get around in just by walking and metro or sometimes taking a bus.

Also just directly by the USG, see "Cash for Clunkers".

Isn’t this just good strategy? Shouldn’t government subsidize the things it wants more of?

The only serious EV maker in the US has received more US subsidizing than any single Chinese maker.

You’re forgetting the 9.3$ billion given to us automakers to bail them out that was never recovered.

If China government kickstarted their EV sector (along many others) and enabled them to be competitive, strong and dominating.

That means the Chinese government is doing a really good job.

I really hate this argument where every government across the globe have to basically be a drag which sucks the life out of an economy and wastes extracted resources (taxes) on bullshit instead of putting them to good use.

This is what winning looks like fellas, and you're just losing. Get used to it as there's only going to be more of this.


Even without the subsidies, at this point, they’re arguably making better cars.

No, it's actually 200 000 trillion for both countries.

Source: same as yours


Yep, it's pretty much just illegal dumping.

The vast majority of that money went to car purchasing assistance. It helps build the industry up but it doesn't change the actual price.

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I didn’t say “$10 Billion since inception”.

You merged two comments together. One about EV tax credits and one about total automobile subsidies.

And none of this disproves that China is operating as a “free market” player.


> You got emotional and

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. Your comment would be fine without that bit

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


> Where the fuck are you getting these numbers from?

Hey, can you please not break the site guidelines like this, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Heard and fixed. Thanks Dan.

Appreciated!

Well, what do you expect him to say? Consider the audience.

It would be great if he said “we have to up our game and build better vehicles that are less expensive.”

But it’s so much easier to just lobby the competition away so there is none. It’s the American way!


They have 5 min full EV charging while I have to twiddle my thumbs for 30 minutes at every charge stop. What a shit administration we currently have.

That journalist may not want to buy American cars, but thanks to our enlightened government, they must buy American cars, since everything else is taxed significantly or banned altogether. Free market for all! /s

Meanwhile Atlassian, the company that had it built is dying a messy and very public death...

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